That’s true, but now you have to remember which server is legit. One benefit of a centralized service is that you have centralized verification, which at one time was a point in Twitter’s favor.
I’m not very well versed in cryptography, but if I understand the certification system for websites, different sites apply to a certificate provider, of which there are multiple. Maybe something like this is possible for the Fediverse? Where a user or community or instance can be “verified” by one or more trusted verification “agencies” or whatever.
I read a post by the Beehaw admins a couple weeks ago saying they were talking to the lemmy.world admin about resolving the issues that caused them to defederate, so it’s possible that they were no longer defederated when the post you found was made. My understanding is that automatic updates only happen when users on one instance are subscribed to the community on the other instance, so refederation might not be obvious. I expect they would have cut the cord again over yesterday’s security breach, though.
That’s pure speculation on my part, though, and quite possibly it was some kind of bug. But I am not particularly tech-savvy, so I tend to wonder about non-technical causes.
Yeah, it just doesn’t really exist yet. I’m not sure a really well-moderated community for news content can exist yet on Lemmy, due to the culture that’s slowly springing up, but if it did it’d have to be on a dedicated instance, I expect - one with a very, very dedicated set of moderators with relatively strict rules regarding what is sufficiently-well-sourced content, and all other communities on the instance being held up to the same bar in their specific niches in order to encourage that kind of posting culture.
Honestly, I don’t think Reddit ever achieved a really good result either - the news subreddits were all dumpster fires to varying degrees - but Lemmy’s immaturity worsens the issue here, I think. It’s pretty appallingly obvious. I’d look elsewhere for news opinion aggregation, for the time being.
Does the reddit style format inherently make for a toxic environment? Or is it a culture of toxicity from the influx of reditors? For lack of a beter example, on stackoverflow, when someone down votes you, it comes with a comment saying how to improve. On mastodon, people can’t downvote you. These platforms are a joy to use,...
I believe there are a few Lemmy instances that don’t have downvotes enabled. (Beehaw might be one of them, but don’t quote me on that.) If downvotes are a stress point for you, you could try joining one of those instances.
I personally find both upvotes and downvotes to be useful as a way for me to quickly see the community’s reaction to a piece of content. If I’m scrolling through my feed and see a post with many downvotes and few upvotes, for example, I know that post is unlikely to interest me and will move on. Conversely, a highly upvoted post or one with a mix of both upvotes and downvotes is more likely to have a good conversation in the comments in my experience.
If I make a post that receives a large number of downvotes - or if most of my posts tend to be downvoted - that’s a signal to me that I’m either not communicating my message well (confusing, passive aggressive, etc.) or that my message itself may not be welcome (hate speech, misinformation, etc.). In either case, I use that as a mental trigger for me to reflect on my posts rather than a reason to become unhappy with the community/platform as a whole.
Maybe advertise your idea to the right people… But you’re right. Starting a new communitiy takes some effort and more than one person to get things rolling.
It sounds like you might be referring to communities rather than instances. If you don’t want to mod it yourself you could ask in one of the request communities and soneone might choose to start it. Try doing a search for ‘request’ on whichever instance seems like a good fit, and you’ll find one.
The transparency in funding and discussion of donations, the country or state it is hosted in (local laws), does its moderation policy align with your values?
If it’s a small instance fewer communities may be federated already so you may need to be the one to manually search for them for the first time (thus adding them to your instance’s “all” feed). Larger instances will already have many communities discovered and a fuller all feed. Though with lemmyverse.net and some determination you can build up the federated communities list up entirely yourself (and give everyone registered there an expanded “all”).
How annoying. I thought the point of being federated was that i had 1 account for everywhere. Now the douchebag running my instance is going to ban certain communities (defederate) on my behalf? The fuck. Do i need an account on every server if i want to see everything? It’s removed. Give me a ban button and open everything up.
I did a lot of that building up because there wasn’t much content that interested me coming through.
In hindsight it may have meant I should have chosen a different instance but now it’s done I’m pretty happy and as you mentioned, it expanded the content for other users on the instance
The moderation policy can be important, on lemmy.zip they’re somewhat anti-defederation so I spent a half hour banning all the big communities from the problematic instances
Look at posts and comments from the instance admin. Does this person seem to know anything about running a server or managing software? Do you like the admin’s tone and attitude? Does it seem like the instance will be around for the long-term, or is it someone’s hobby that they may abandon on a whim?
Look at the instance’s ban list. Do you agree with the choices? Maybe you want your All feed to include exploding-heads and lemmygrad, or maybe you don’t.
Does the instance seem to have a community theme that you want to be associated with? Some emphasize LGBTQ+ communities, or NSFW content, or particular political views.
After moving here from lemmy.world after learning of their view on federation with Threads, I now face a dilemma which I do not have a clear answer to....
Why would Threads users join Lemmy if they can just subscribe to instances federating with them. That is why I don’t want to post on instances federating with Threads anymore
I also don’t want Threads to benefit from my posts/comments
I see.
Would you still post to lemmy.world or you would create another community on lemmy.ml where Threads is blocked, if you were in my case?
I understand your problem. It’s an interesting thought-experiment. Though I am not a fan of Meta/Threads either, it probably is not that dear to my heart as it is to you. You’ll have to decide this based upon how important the situation with Threads really is to you. If it’s a matter of principle, you probably would not continue posting to lemmy.world. That said, as it’s niche communities you are talking about, creating new ones on other instances will create a split, which is most likely not helpful for user engagement. Who knows, if Threads will bring many users, it might actually help bring life to niche communities.
Of course, you do have every right to create another community somewhere else, my gut tells me it will not be successful though. I just don’t think many will be like “Oh there is a new community for this hosted on an instance not federating with Threads, let’s move!”. Users, overall, will probably gravitate towards the community with the most activity and it’s not likely that it will be your new one. However, you may have a chance if it there is hardly any activity now.
You made me realise I asked the wrong question. It’s all about Threads. I updated the title and my question. Thank you
As seen on my other comments, I want Lemmy to grow so we can have diverse communities and diverse viewpoints. Why would Threads users join Lemmy if they can just subscribe to instances federating with them. That is why I don’t want to post on instances federating with Threads anymore
I also don’t want Threads to benefit from my posts/comments
Would you still post to lemmy.world or you would create another community on lemmy.ml where Threads is blocked, if you were in my case?
There’s a really big difference though between communities splitting off Reddit and split from an instance here. I still have my Lemmy.world account but I’m defaulting now to this one. Lemmy.world is a great starting point for people to branch from and pick from there.
You can still access your communities without visiting the instance.
You are overthinking this. If you like green tea, but an instance admin prefers coffee, would you stop posting on every community on that instance? Do you only want to post where people 100% align with your views on everything? I guess not, because then you would have to host a private instance where you only talk to yourself. Therefore, stop overthinking this and keep posting there.
If the question whether somebody federates with Threads or not is THAT important to you, then you already have your answer.
Overall, I really hope we do not come to a point where thoughts like “my instance does not federate with $evilinstance, therefore it’s a good instance. But $otherinstance does, therefore $otherinstance sucks and I’ll avoid everything on $otherinstance” become the norm. Because then we get a clusterfuck.
Should I continue contributing to my niche communities on Instances I do not share my view with, or build similar communities on other Instances?
For example runeterra community only exists on lemmy.world, but I don’t want to post on lemmy.world anymore, because I don’t want Threads to benefit from my posts/comments. I want people to come to Lemmy.
Should I create a new runeterra community lemmy.ml instead (lemmy.ml blocks Threads)? What would you do?
I totally get that but I want to grow Lemmy and want users to join Lemmy. They won’t if they could just subscribe to our communities. Plus I don’t want threads to benefit from my content if I post to instances federating with Threads
the admins are known to be Uyghur genocide deniers and pro-North-Korea
Do you have a link for this? I want to read it. I picked lemmy.ml because it was used by Memmy app community, has decent userbase, and they block threads.net. This is the description on join-lemmy.org/instances : “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”
my understanding from Lemmy.world’s post was “guys, we’re years away from it if it ever happens, maybe we should chill until we learn more?”
Did they post their official’s stance on it? All I saw was a post by ruud, the instance owner on Mastodon
As I explained in another comment, if they don’t block a server, they are federating with it. Meta could be testing as we speak
Hello, do you know about a script or app or so that can backup data from a Lemmy instance as an end-user? At least the list of subscribed communities, settings, profile (bio) should be nice. I’ve been on VLemmy and lost one full evening trying to figure out what my subscription were (well not completely lost my time I also...
Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads (www.theguardian.com)
Data shows the micro-blogging website has been shedding users since early 2023, not long after Elon Musk’s takeover
Reddit is a dead site running (dbzer0.com)
Where do you go on Lemmy for reliable news and politics?
I’m enjoying Lemmy so far, for the most part....
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After moving here from lemmy.world after learning of their view on federation with Threads, I now face a dilemma which I do not have a clear answer to....
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Think Automoderator but available to everyone (although bots would need some instance admin / community moderator approvals to prevent abuse)