You’re wrong and I’m defending a genocide - in just too lazy to explain why, and your quotes from the leader of the country she leader of the military are irrelevant… Fake news.
You’re applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don’t understand why. You’re both a useful idiot and a monstrous piece of shit, deserving of the type of treatment that you’re wishing upon Palestinians.
Maybe you meant the funding Hamas piece - here’s Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s telling a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat.
The Israeli government gave me a budget, and the military government gives to the mosques.”
Unsurprisingly, Arafat also referred to Hamas as
A creature of Israel
Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades speaking to the WSJ…
Blood and soil was a Nazi argument - the fact that you’re unable to differentiate yourself from Hitler in any meaningful way should give you motivation for self-reflection. You’ve had multiple opportunities to do this, and failed miserably.
Much like Putin’s efforts to negotiate with Ukraine being conditional on full surrender and de-armament, Israel haven’t made anything resembling a good faith effort to negotiate. In any case, if they wanted reasonable negotiations, they wouldn’t have helped jihadists secure power in Palestine, displacing secular moderates.
You don’t have the charisma to convincingly sell your Nazi talking points. I’d suggest committing to the bit and copying Hitler’s exit strategy like you’ve copied his prescriptions, methods, and talking points.
Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years.
Noone said Israel created Hamas - but for them not to realise that they would be openly hostile to Israel given their rhetoric would represent a literally unbelievable level of incompetence on Israel’s part. Dumb and/or dishonest.
Israel could not know who will win the elections.
They threw enough money at Hamas to help them successfully win the election. Not a guarantee, but a definite finger on the scale. Dumb and dishonest.
Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.
A few of hundred Israelis traded for the extermination of the Palestinians and the annexation of their territory is implausible to you? Just about any force that’s conducted an annexation has paid a greater price than this - look at Russia right now. Israel aren’t Islamic, so jihadist isn’t a great characterisation, but they’re theocratic and genocidal - a distinction without a meaningful difference. Dumb and/or dishonest.
they would instead fiddle with the iron dome.
Why? It works well enough, and they haven’t bothered to invest further in it with Hamas in power and years of rocket attacks? Seems as though Netanyahu isn’t too concerned about a few hundred Israeli deaths, no? Dumb or dishonest.
What nazi-tier even means is beyond me
A far-right wing fascist ethnostate doing warcrimes and genocidal bullshit. Dumb and dishonest.
What did these Israeli government representatives mean when they said…
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
You still haven’t explained the meaningful difference between Israel’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate and Hitler’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate.
Ok so you’re against Israel providing work permits to Palestinians?
I’m against apartheid states that requires people of ‘undesirable’ ethnicity get work permits.
And do you agree with this from the article?
Yes - Israel has done away with sporadic attacks and launched into a more rapid genocidal approach.
Imagine defending an apartheid state committing a genocide, pointing to the apartheid to say there’s not apartheid, and rapid escalation in indiscriminate killing to say there’s not genocide.
Hamas is a terrorist org that Israel backed to replace the secular moderates - this isn’t half as complex as the narrative knots you idiots tie yourselves in to defend the genocide - in not sure why you’re finding this difficult.
So basically the plan was “Kill us, so we could kill you” all along, huh? This is some flat earth level conspiracy.
They’ve been signalling genocidal intent for years, but can’t just do it without losing the US backing they need to not get obliterated by their neighbours. Why else did they help the hostile jihadists over the secular moderates? Again, really straightforward stuff.
Meanwhile, you use Nazi-tier logic to defend Nazi-tier actions.
An apartheid state committing a genocide to create an ethnostate is acceptable self-interest? This isn’t self-defence - particularly when Israel backed Hamas over the secular moderates to create the pretext for this. Netanyahu is getting Israelis killed by both Hamas and the IDF.
I agree - Israel and the Nazis are stupid and monstrous, which is why I condemn both. What’s the material difference between the far-right, genocidal fascist ethnostates Israel and Nazi Germany as far as you’re concerned?
You’ve seen the reports of the IDF killing shirtless Israeli hostages waving white flags and speaking Hebrew because they’re tripping over themselves to kill as many Palestinians as possible. The IDF themselves admitted to this.
Israel funded Hamas over secular orgs (widely and credibility reported) to create the pretext for this genocide.
Where’s the mental gymnastics, Jitler? While you’re at it, you can explain why the far right wing, genocidal fascist ethnostatists are bad when they’re Nazis, but not Israelis. Easy for me - refer to my description of both.
Israel put a terrorist org that’s hostile to them in neighbouring territories they’re trying to ethnically cleanse via genocide and you can’t figure it why? I suppose critical thought was never fascists’ strong suit.
International funding went to Palestinians via aid orgs - not Hamas. That said, anything that did go to Hamas was because Israel put them in power - you don’t get to put terrorists in power, commit war crimes, then whine when the international community sends aid to the people you’re genociding. Israel is also a recipient of $3.8 billion dollars every year in US military support alone - that’s comparable to the total amount of internal aid sent to Palestine between 2014 and 2020.
The problem isn’t Israel funding Palestine - it’s with them funding a terrorist group to put them in power, removing the secular moderates that were in place already… You know - so they could justify the genocide they’ve been loudly telegraphing they want to commit.
You don’t get to play the victim on this one, Jitler.
The contradictions quoted directly from the genocidal monsters you’re defending, which are dumb, dishonest, and speculative?
I’m sure you’ve shared your totally real explanation of the mask off genocidal admissions with your totally real girlfriend… who goes to another school… In another country - it’s all definitely real though.
I wish you all the very best of luck in emulating Hitler’s exit strategy, Rudolph Jitler.
Why at some point you say Israel needs a public reason and very carefully constructed circumstances to start the invasion, but then say that Israel will not stop this invasion unless someone makes them? This absense of logic shows that your judgement is based on how you imagine a monster in your head, not on how real events play out.
If Israel doesn’t manufacture pretext, the US won’t be able to support them, which will stop the UN security council vetoes, military and financial aid, the dampener on international condemnation, and likely trigger direct intervention to stop the genocide - as it is, Biden has taken a massive hit at the polls due to his support. This is very simple, straightforward logic where’s the gap you’re insisting exists?
If you allow yourself to assume I’m defending Israel
What are you doing here if not defending Israel? I’ve given you ample opportunity to correct the record on this point, and you’ve consistently deflected to whining about the far lesser of two evils.
I’m gonna assume you’re defending monsters who were, by your own words, put in power by Israel.
Yes - I’m defending the group I called monsters (and evil in the paragraph above). You’re too stupid to sell these lies - don’t bother.
You refuse the idea of hamas being able to stop the invasion by surrendering, so I’m assuming those people are more important than the rest of Palestinians for you.
You’re going to need to explain your logic on this one. There’s zero logical connection between those statements.
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I’m not the US and they will not listen to me.
Because I’m underscoring the fact that you’re defending a genocide. You’ve complained about Hamas - WHY THE FUCK HAVEN’T YOU STOPPED THEM?
Looking for confirmation of some magic connection between something and nazi Germany is useless and only serves your own satisfaction in placing a “bad” marker on a monster you imagined in your head. Feel free to do that without anyone’s permission.
I’ve drawn a pretty clear comparison between the actions of Israel and one of the most uncontroversially evil groups in history (particularly to Israelis). I’ve invited you to point to a meaningful difference between one of the greatest evils in history and the group you’re defending, and you’ve failed.
Give me a reason to think you’re not defending a genocide rather than telling lies, pointing to fictional logic gaps and insisting I’m defending a group I’m actively condemning. It’s reeeally simple “Israel are committing a genocide - a completely indefensible act, which should see their leadership tried in the Hague” or alternatively, “What Israel is doing is fine because…” - at which point I’ll continue to ridicule you for your continued moronic, genocidal nonsense.
The existence of Hamas isn’t an excuse for the genocide of Palestine.
If Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn’t stop.
The Israeli government backed the rise of Hamas over moderate secular orgs - they’ve admitted to this. The Israeli government wants to commit a genocide in order to establish an ethnostate - they’ve admitted to this, and kill far more Palestinian civilians than Hamas - to say nothing of those they’ve forcefully displaced, and the rest that they confine to an open air concentration camp (which they’re currently bombing). The Israeli government supported the Hamas terrorists, knowing they’d kill Israelis, creating the pretext for what they’re now doing. This is monstrous.
Imagine trying to claim the moral high ground and painting the other person as a Nazi after failing to identify any point of difference you have with the Nazis.
Real simple - for starters, they’re genocidal, fascist morons, and ethnostates are pathetic.
Not that it’ll prove a thing, but I’ll let you continue your fail streak by asking you to point out out where I quoted Hitler as you mirrored his ideology.
I’ll extend an olive branch though - I can help direct you to a bunker so that you can finish the copycat job if you’d like.
Palestine isn’t genociding itself, and they were led by secular moderates until Israel backed Hamas to create the pretext for the genocide they’re now committing. They’ve been relegated to an open-air concentration camp as Israel kills orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Hamas kills Israelis. This is just far-right lunatics creating an ethnostate via genocide - like the Nazis.
The Nazis weren’t about improving society - they wanted to kill multiple groups and suppress the rest. It’s a deeply stupid ideology in addition to being monstrous.
Does your apparent “I think this monstrous bullshit is in my personal self-interest, so it’s justified” principle extend to Hamas attacking Israel? What if I’m homeless hungry and horny - do I get to kill you, take your house, rape your wife and eat your kid? If not, why not?
Israel, the dominant regional, nuclear power, have:
Established an apartheid state,
Confined their untermensch to concentration camps,
Promoted an openly hostile group to leadership of the untermensch, knowing hundreds/thousands would die, giving them an excuse to kill orders of magnitude more.
Restricted/cut water, food, power, trade and movement to the country-scale concentration camps.
Killed tens of thousands of civilians, injuring and displacing many more to advance a genocide to establish an ethnostate.
Will likely abandon democracy.
…and they won’t stop until they’re forced to.
Why are you defending this unambiguously monstrous behaviour
How much further would Israel need to go for you to condemn them
Why shouldn’t the international community (i.e. The US) step in immediately?
Is there a meaningful distinction between Novemberpogrome-era (kristallnacht) Nazi Germany and Israel you can identify?
Jitler, I’d say I expected better, but I’m not as comfortable lying as you clearly are, and my views aren’t dependent on lies. You’re having trouble keeping your story straight and it shows.
The gap is you thinking whatever they achieved with the “pretext” will not disappear with the last hamas members surrendering.
The pretext is killing Hamas. No Hamas, no pretext. Even you can’t be this stupid - this isn’t a lie worth telling. If Israel isn’t trying to kill Hamas, are you just biting the bullet and admitting they’re committing a genocide to establish an ethnostate?
I’m merely pointing at elephants in the room. What hamas have been doing was a mistake and a lost opportunity for Palestinians.
Yeah - Hamas are bad and counter-productive. As you point to the elephant in the room, there’s a pack of genocidal monsters gunning down every Palestinian in sight… not to mention a bunch of journalists, aid workers and Israelis - you’ll have to forgive my suspicion at your singular fixation on the elephant.
Defending hamas you mean? Yes, I don’t see why anyone would do that if not for the sake of hoping they would do more useless attacks, instead of doing something meaningful in current situation.
Yes - calling Hamas monsters and many other negative things could only be because I am defending them and want them to do more useless attacks. Another lie too transparently stupid to be worth telling.
IDF: we need to kill hamas terrorists.
Hamas: gotta hide ourselves and let them kill Palestinians instead.
You: Israel wants to kill Palestinians, not hamas. Hamas better hide themselves.
Israel: We want to genocide Palestine Hamas: Thanks for the funding and helping us displace the secular moderates - I guess we’ll do exactly what we said we would and kill Israelis Israel: oh no… I guess we’ll have to genocide Palestine - can’t be helped - we couldn’t know who is and isn’t Hamas… Thanks for the continued support, US.
Difference is that I can just point to actual quotes from Israeli leaders rather than sharing - but more on that later.
So this is why I haven’t been seeing any discussion where people like you condemned hamas terrorists attacks in past years?
I wasn’t on Lemmy until a couple of months ago, so you can’t possibly be talking about me. That said, I haven’t seen it as particularly relevant to comment on it the past few years - particularly when Israel were killing orders of magnitude more Palestinians while maintaining concentration camp conditions in Palestine. The recent escalation to clear genocide changed that.
Because by your logic you need to be able to do something to correct the situation in order to be allowed to condemn it? I see. But then not getting what are you trying to achieve here.
That was your moronic logic - not mine. I’ve been comfortable condemning Israel, Hamas and the Nazis, as your logic from your last reply means that you’d need to insist Hitler did nothing wrong. It’s clear you’re struggling to keep your lies straight, so here’s a refresher…
Why do you ask me to condemn something if, by your own words, only the US is able to stop Israel? I’m not the US and they will not listen to me.
Again - this is all plain to see and too dumb and transparent a lie to be worth telling.
Let’s start with the fact that nazi didn’t need to construct the “pretext” that would rely on a group (that they’ve put in power) that would attack them with useless missiles. They’ve just attacked. Meaningful difference.
The only meaningful difference you can identify between the actions and rhetoric of Israel and early Nazi Germany is the fact that Nazi Germany wasn’t dependent on the support of an external party they needed to placate? I won’t argue with that - what do you think that says about the regime you’re running cover for?
You still haven’t managed to condemn Israel, and you’ve spent an awful lot of time whining about the comparatively minor evils of Hamas when you’ve made it clear Israel is comparable to Nazi Germany. Why is that?
Now for those quotes I promised you…
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
That Israel is committing a genocide? Here’s a parade of their political leaders saying as much…
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
If my active, repeated condemnation of Hamas is support, based on your self-contradictory, transparently dishonest, frequently Incoherent, cowardly and genocidal rambling, it’s safe to assume you’re currently raping a Palestinian baby to death, and I don’t particularly need to be a part of that.
The genocide that Israel is talking about pretty transparently as they indiscriminately bomb the shit out of civilians is a conspiracy - you got it, Jitler.
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