GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@sorghum@sh.itjust.works/active

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
a74d0c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 9.01 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.06 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1356 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1679 …}
  +slug: "If-you-could-go-back-in-time-and-stop-any"
  +title: "If you could go back in time and stop any one person or group's musical career, who or what would it be?"
  +url: null
  +body: "This isn’t a “go back in time and assassinate” someone question. It’s just their musical career never takes off and thus any music they ever would have made is no longer in this timeline."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 118
  +favouriteCount: 117
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722727614 {#2046
    date: 2024-08-04 01:26:54.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2586 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2575 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2573 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2587 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2589 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2339
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Courtney Love already did this"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 21
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704834186 {#2343
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2159 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2135 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2137 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2068 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2069 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2074 …}
      -id: 294297
      -bodyTs: "'alreadi':3 'courtney':1 'love':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7302652"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1719578895 {#2336
        date: 2024-06-28 14:48:15.0 +02:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704834186 {#2335
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 294297
    }
  ]
  -id: 28228
  -titleTs: "'back':5 'career':17 'could':3 'go':4 'group':14 'music':16 'one':11 'person':12 'stop':9 'time':7 'would':21"
  -bodyTs: "'assassin':10 'back':6 'career':18 'ever':27 'go':5 'isn':2 'longer':33 'made':30 'music':17,25 'never':19 'question':12 'someon':11 'take':20 'thus':23 'time':8 'timelin':36 'would':28"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704841960
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10475388"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704755560 {#2560
    date: 2024-01-09 00:12:40.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1356 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1679 …}
  +slug: "If-you-could-go-back-in-time-and-stop-any"
  +title: "If you could go back in time and stop any one person or group's musical career, who or what would it be?"
  +url: null
  +body: "This isn’t a “go back in time and assassinate” someone question. It’s just their musical career never takes off and thus any music they ever would have made is no longer in this timeline."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 118
  +favouriteCount: 117
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722727614 {#2046
    date: 2024-08-04 01:26:54.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2586 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2575 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2573 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2587 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2589 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2339
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Courtney Love already did this"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 21
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704834186 {#2343
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2159 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2135 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2137 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2068 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2069 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2074 …}
      -id: 294297
      -bodyTs: "'alreadi':3 'courtney':1 'love':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7302652"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1719578895 {#2336
        date: 2024-06-28 14:48:15.0 +02:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704834186 {#2335
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 294297
    }
  ]
  -id: 28228
  -titleTs: "'back':5 'career':17 'could':3 'go':4 'group':14 'music':16 'one':11 'person':12 'stop':9 'time':7 'would':21"
  -bodyTs: "'assassin':10 'back':6 'career':18 'ever':27 'go':5 'isn':2 'longer':33 'made':30 'music':17,25 'never':19 'question':12 'someon':11 'take':20 'thus':23 'time':8 'timelin':36 'would':28"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704841960
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10475388"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704755560 {#2560
    date: 2024-01-09 00:12:40.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1356 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1679 …}
  +slug: "If-you-could-go-back-in-time-and-stop-any"
  +title: "If you could go back in time and stop any one person or group's musical career, who or what would it be?"
  +url: null
  +body: "This isn’t a “go back in time and assassinate” someone question. It’s just their musical career never takes off and thus any music they ever would have made is no longer in this timeline."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 118
  +favouriteCount: 117
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722727614 {#2046
    date: 2024-08-04 01:26:54.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2586 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2575 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2573 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2587 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2589 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2339
      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Courtney Love already did this"
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 21
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1704834186 {#2343
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
        "@kinther@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2159 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2135 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2137 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2068 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2069 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2074 …}
      -id: 294297
      -bodyTs: "'alreadi':3 'courtney':1 'love':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7302652"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1719578895 {#2336
        date: 2024-06-28 14:48:15.0 +02:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704834186 {#2335
        date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 294297
    }
  ]
  -id: 28228
  -titleTs: "'back':5 'career':17 'could':3 'go':4 'group':14 'music':16 'one':11 'person':12 'stop':9 'time':7 'would':21"
  -bodyTs: "'assassin':10 'back':6 'career':18 'ever':27 'go':5 'isn':2 'longer':33 'made':30 'music':17,25 'never':19 'question':12 'someon':11 'take':20 'thus':23 'time':8 'timelin':36 'would':28"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1704841960
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10475388"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704755560 {#2560
    date: 2024-01-09 00:12:40.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#2339
  +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2338
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1356 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
    +image: null
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1679 …}
    +slug: "If-you-could-go-back-in-time-and-stop-any"
    +title: "If you could go back in time and stop any one person or group's musical career, who or what would it be?"
    +url: null
    +body: "This isn’t a “go back in time and assassinate” someone question. It’s just their musical career never takes off and thus any music they ever would have made is no longer in this timeline."
    +type: "article"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: false
    +commentCount: 118
    +favouriteCount: 117
    +score: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +sticky: false
    +lastActive: DateTime @1722727614 {#2046
      date: 2024-08-04 01:26:54.0 +02:00
    }
    +ip: null
    +adaAmount: 0
    +tags: null
    +mentions: null
    +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2586 …}
    +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2575 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2573 …}
    +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2587 …}
    +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2589 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
    +children: [
      App\Entity\EntryComment {#2339}
    ]
    -id: 28228
    -titleTs: "'back':5 'career':17 'could':3 'go':4 'group':14 'music':16 'one':11 'person':12 'stop':9 'time':7 'would':21"
    -bodyTs: "'assassin':10 'back':6 'career':18 'ever':27 'go':5 'isn':2 'longer':33 'made':30 'music':17,25 'never':19 'question':12 'someon':11 'take':20 'thus':23 'time':8 'timelin':36 'would':28"
    +cross: false
    +upVotes: 0
    +downVotes: 0
    +ranking: 1704841960
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10475388"
    +editedAt: null
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704755560 {#2560
      date: 2024-01-09 00:12:40.0 +01:00
    }
    +__isInitialized__: true
     …2
  }
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2454 …}
  +image: null
  +parent: null
  +root: null
  +body: "Courtney Love already did this"
  +lang: "en"
  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 21
  +score: 0
  +lastActive: DateTime @1704834186 {#2343
    date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@kinther@lemmy.world"
    "@kinther@lemmy.world"
  ]
  +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2159 …}
  +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2135 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2137 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2068 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2069 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2074 …}
  -id: 294297
  -bodyTs: "'alreadi':3 'courtney':1 'love':2"
  +ranking: 0
  +commentCount: 0
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7302652"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1719578895 {#2336
    date: 2024-06-28 14:48:15.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704834186 {#2335
    date: 2024-01-09 22:03:06.0 +01:00
  }
  +"title": 294297
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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          Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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        > Citation needed\n
        \n
        [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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        This one goes to the embryo\n
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        [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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        But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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        I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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      +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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        Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
        \n
        Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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        Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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        Derail the trolley.\n
        \n
        [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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        Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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        If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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        [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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      +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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        > There is no real trolley\n
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        Then there is no real answer.\n
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        Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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          Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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          Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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        > Citation needed\n
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        [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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        This one goes to the embryo\n
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        [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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        But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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      +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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        Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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        Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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        Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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        Derail the trolley.\n
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        [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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        Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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        If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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        [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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      +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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        > There is no real trolley\n
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        Then there is no real answer.\n
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        Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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          Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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          Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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        > Citation needed\n
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        [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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        This one goes to the embryo\n
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        [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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        But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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        I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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      +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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        Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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        Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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        Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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        Derail the trolley.\n
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        [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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        Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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        If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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        [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        > There is no real trolley\n
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    > Citation needed\n
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    [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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    > Citation needed\n
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    [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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    > Citation needed\n
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    [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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    This one goes to the embryo\n
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    [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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    But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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    I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    This one goes to the embryo\n
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    [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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    But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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    I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    This one goes to the embryo\n
    \n
    [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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    But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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    I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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    +body: "E.g. abortion rights, anti-LGBTQ, contempt for atheism, Christian nationalism, etc."
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
          \n
          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
          \n
          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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    Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
    \n
    Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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    Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
    \n
    Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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    Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
    \n
    Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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    Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Derail the trolley.\n
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    [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
          \n
          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
          \n
          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
          \n
          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
          \n
          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
          \n
          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
          \n
          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Derail the trolley.\n
    \n
    [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Derail the trolley.\n
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    [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
          \n
          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
          \n
          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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    Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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    If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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    [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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    Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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    If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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    [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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    Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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    If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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    [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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  +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
          \n
          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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          Then there is no real answer.\n
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          Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
          \n
          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
          \n
          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
          \n
          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
          \n
          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
          \n
          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
          \n
          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
          \n
          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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    > There is no real trolley\n
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    Then there is no real answer.\n
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    Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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        +body: "You already have my answer: try to derail tram in order to save both. If I fail, I fail. Knowing that I tried to save 101 people is all that matters because in the end the tram operator will be the one sued to make the family(ies) whole."
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    > There is no real trolley\n
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    Then there is no real answer.\n
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    Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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            Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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            Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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            I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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        +body: "There no caveat or exception. Don’t fuck with other people."
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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    > There is no real trolley\n
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    Then there is no real answer.\n
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    Instead of focusing on who to save with a magic lever, I would instead focus on how to save both groups. I’m not sorry you don’t like that answer.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Also don’t worry about down votes. This topic is highly contentious and both sides generally see it the other side as a direct assault on their beliefs.
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          [tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-stat…](https://tomwoods.com/libertarian-anarchy-against-the-state-2/)
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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    Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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    Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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    I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
          \n
          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          I see justifying violence on certain humans as opening the door for society to justify violence on other humans. We look back on times when slavery or genocide was condoned and abhor that time and the humans that gave their approval to it. I truly believe that will be the way humanity will see society as it is now when medical technology advances enough to not need a human womb to develop a human to birth. That in and of itself begs the question, when a human is viable outside of the womb from no matter what stage of development, does that change how you view its rights from the earliest stages of its life?
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          [youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg](https://youtu.be/aBS51qz0uYg)
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          If the NAP could be easily dismissed by just reclassifying who is and isn’t a human, then yes some form of law setting clarifying what a human is would be necessary. You bring up **THE** most interesting debate though in libertarian circles IMHO. Tom Woods did an interview with Gerard Casey about this topic. I highly recommend listening to the interview and giving Casey’s book a read.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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    Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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    Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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    I hope that helps. Also, good luck at your family get togethers, lol. It feels like you’re looking for ammunition for debates.
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          > Citation needed\n
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          [pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620844/)
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          This one goes to the embryo\n
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          [www.britannica.com/…/Basic-form-and-development](https://www.britannica.com/science/human-body/Basic-form-and-development)\n
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          But at far as from conception goes, it has DNA distinct from both parents and starts developing until stopped. Even if not developed to whatever your standard is, it’s like a picture developed from film. The picture (or in this case, the human) is still there, it just needs to be developed.\n
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          Your last paragraph is why I want nothing to do with killing humans just for convenience. Also look at my last comment with wantd. I posed a question about when a human is viable outside of the womb at any stage of development. Would it change how you view its rights?\n
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          Although I don’t agree with expanding government, I do agree with extending rights and protections to humans at all stages of development. I do consider that a different debate though mostly in line with who should pave roads, how police should work, and who should deliver mail (once again libertarian, not authoritarian Republican)\n
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          Derail the trolley.\n
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          Some libertarians are minarchist meaning as little government as possible, some are anarcho-capitalists. Pro-life minarchists would be fine having punishment of abortion be treated like any other killing of a human. Anarcho-capitalists would rather not have government have a monopoly on violence.\n
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          > There is no real trolley\n
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    Not really what your criteria is being that I’m a pro life libertarian as far as ideals I align with most on what you’re looking for.\n
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    Even though I am religious, my argument against abortion is firstly a scientific one then on moral principal second. On the science side it’s a human from the moment of conception. On the moral side it’s that I believe all humans deserve human rights no matter at what stage of development there are. Just as soon as you make exceptions to kill for one type or subset of humankind you open the door to others. Usually this is done by labeling a certain group as not human to justify oppression of said group. Terms usually used to justify acts of violence against other humans are property, subhuman, animals, savages, clump of cells, parasite, etc. Usually for libertarians it boils down to having a code called the non-aggression principal which is essentially don’t fuck with other people. This is also why I’m anti capital punishment.\n
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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61 DENIED ROLE_ADMIN 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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62 DENIED ROLE_MODERATOR 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details