GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/linux@lemmy.ml/t/28526/I-m-so-frustrated-rn/oldest?p=1

Response
200 OK
IP
3.15.218.243
Profiled on
Token
c6bdd4

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
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  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listener Duration Response 
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  -httpsPort: 443
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
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 0.20 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.05 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
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  -options: [
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  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      \n
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      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
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    I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
    \n
    I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
    """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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    I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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      > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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    [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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    A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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            If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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            You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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            It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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            If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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            You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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            It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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          EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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      > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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      No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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    [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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    A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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              You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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              It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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        +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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        +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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    Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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              You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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              It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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              Good luck op!
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            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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            The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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        +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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    Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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          +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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          +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                  If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                  You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                  It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                  Good luck op!
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                EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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            +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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            > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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            No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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          [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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          A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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        That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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        Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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      Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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      Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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    > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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    TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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    Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                  If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                  You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                  It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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            > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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            No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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          [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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          A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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        That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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        Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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      Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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    > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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    TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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    Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                  If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                  You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                  It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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            +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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            > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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            No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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          [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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          A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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        That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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        Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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      Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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      Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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    > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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    TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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    Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                    If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                    You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                    It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                  EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                  The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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              +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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              > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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              No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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            [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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            A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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          That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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          Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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        Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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        Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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      > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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      TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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      Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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    Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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    Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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    Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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      I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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                    If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                    You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                    It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                    Good luck op!
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                  EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                  The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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              +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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              > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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              No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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            [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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            A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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          That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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          Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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        Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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        Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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      > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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      TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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      Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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    Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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    Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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    Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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                    If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                    You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                    It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                  EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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              +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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              > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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              No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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            [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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            A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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          That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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          Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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        Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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      > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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      Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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    Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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    Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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    Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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                      If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                      You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                      It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                      Good luck op!
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                    EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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              [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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              A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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            That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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            Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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          Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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        > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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        TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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        Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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      Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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      Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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      Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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    Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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                      If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                      You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                      It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                      Good luck op!
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                    EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                    The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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              [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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              A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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            That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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            Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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          Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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          Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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        > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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        TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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        Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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      Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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      Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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      Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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    Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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    I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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                      If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                      You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                      It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                      Good luck op!
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                    EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                    The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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              [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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              A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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            That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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            Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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          Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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          Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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        > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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        TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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        Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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      Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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      Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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      Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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    Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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                        If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                        You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                        It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                        Good luck op!
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                      EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                      The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                  +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                  > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                  No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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              That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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            Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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            Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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          > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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          TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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          Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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        Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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        Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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        Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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      Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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      I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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    Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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    Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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    Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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    Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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    Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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    Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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                        If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
                        \n
                        You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                        It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                        Good luck op!
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                      EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                      The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                  +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                  > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                  No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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              That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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              Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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            Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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            Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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          > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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          TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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          Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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        Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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        Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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        Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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      Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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      I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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    Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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    Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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    Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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    Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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    Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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    Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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      I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                        If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                        You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                        It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                        Good luck op!
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                      EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                      The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                  +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                  > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                  No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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              That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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              Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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            Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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            Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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          > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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          TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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          Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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        Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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        Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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        Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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      Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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      I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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    Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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    Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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    Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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    Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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    Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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    Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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      I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                          If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                          You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                          It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                          Good luck op!
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                        EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                        The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                    +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                    > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                    No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                  [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                  A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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              Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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              Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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            > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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            TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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            Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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          Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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          Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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          Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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        Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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        I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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      Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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      Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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      Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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      Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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      Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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      Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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    Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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    On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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    But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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    I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                          If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                          You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                          It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                          Good luck op!
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                        EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                    +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                    > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                    No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                  [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                  A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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              Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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              Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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            > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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            TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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            Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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          Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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          Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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          Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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        Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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        I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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      Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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      Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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      Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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      Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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      Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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      Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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    Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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    On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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    But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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    I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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      I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                          If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                          You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                          It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                          Good luck op!
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                        EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                        The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                    +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                    > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                    No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                  [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                  A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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              Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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              Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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            > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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            TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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            Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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          Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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          Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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          Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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        Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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        I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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      Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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      Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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      Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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      Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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      Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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      Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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    Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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    On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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    But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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    I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
        \n
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        \n
        Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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        Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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      I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there’s always something that doesn’t work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven’t been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there’s always something that’s broken in every distro.\n
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                          +body: """
                            If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
                            \n
                            You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
                            \n
                            It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
                            \n
                            Good luck op!
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                          EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
                          \n
                          The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                      +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                      > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                      \n
                      No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                    [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
                    \n
                    A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                  That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                  Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
                \n
                Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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              > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
              \n
              TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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              Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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            Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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            Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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            Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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          Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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          I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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        Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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        Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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        Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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        Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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        Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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        Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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      Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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      On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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      But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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      I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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    Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)
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                            If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
                            \n
                            You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
                            \n
                            It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
                            \n
                            Good luck op!
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                          EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                          The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                      +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                      > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                      No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                    [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                    A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                  That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                  Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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              > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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              TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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              Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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            Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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            Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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            Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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          Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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          I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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        Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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        Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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        Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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        Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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        Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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        Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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      Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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      On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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      But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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      I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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    Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)
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                            If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                            You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                          EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
                          \n
                          The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                      +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                      > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                      \n
                      No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                    [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                    A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                  That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
                  \n
                  Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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              > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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              TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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              Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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            Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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            Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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            Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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          Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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          I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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        Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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        Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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        Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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        Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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        Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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        Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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      Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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      On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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      I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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    Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)
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                              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                              You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                              It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                              Good luck op!
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                            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                            The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                        \n
                        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                    Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                  Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                  Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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              Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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              Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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              Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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            Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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            I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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          Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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          Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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          Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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          Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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          Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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          Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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        Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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        On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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        But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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        I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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      Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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    You *could* switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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    I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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                              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                              You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                              It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                              Good luck op!
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                            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                            The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                        +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                    Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                  Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                  Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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              Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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              Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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              Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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            Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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            I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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          Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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          Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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          Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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          Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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          Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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          Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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        Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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        On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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        But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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        I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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      Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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    You *could* switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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    I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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      I’m sorry I’m just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
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                              If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                              You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                              It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                              Good luck op!
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                            EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                            The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                        +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                        > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
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                        No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                      [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
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                      A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                    That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                    Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                  Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                  Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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              Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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              Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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              Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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            Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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            I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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          Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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          Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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          Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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          Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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          Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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          Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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        Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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        On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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        But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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        I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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      Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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    Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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    You *could* switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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    I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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                                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                                Good luck op!
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                              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                              The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                          +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                          \n
                          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
                        \n
                        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
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                      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                  > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                  TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                  Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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                Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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                Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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              Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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              I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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            Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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            Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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            Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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            Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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            Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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            Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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          Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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          On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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          But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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          I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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        Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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      Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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      Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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      I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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    > You could switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    They don’t afaik. EOS uses Arch’s repos directly, unlike Manjaro. Just adds its own on top for all the fancy EOS stuff. Which is why EOS was immediately affected by the grub meltdown and not Manjaro. (which kinda digs a few holes in the stability hypothesis, though Manjaro is another kettle of fish tbf)\n
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    Snapper sounds really interesting, and I didn’t expect “super easy” to be the feedback there. Sounds a bit overkill for my use case at home but I might look into it for work. Thanks for the info!\n
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    Oh god a borked BIOS is my nightmare… I don’t even know how you’d go about fixing that on a modern PC mobo… Let’s not jinx it shall we?
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                                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
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                                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
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                                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
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                                Good luck op!
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                              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
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                          +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                          \n
                          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
                        \n
                        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
                      \n
                      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                  > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                  TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                  Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
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                Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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                Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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              Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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              I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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            Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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            Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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            Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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            Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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            Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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            Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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          Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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        Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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        Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)
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      Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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      You *could* switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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      Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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      I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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    > You could switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    They don’t afaik. EOS uses Arch’s repos directly, unlike Manjaro. Just adds its own on top for all the fancy EOS stuff. Which is why EOS was immediately affected by the grub meltdown and not Manjaro. (which kinda digs a few holes in the stability hypothesis, though Manjaro is another kettle of fish tbf)\n
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    Snapper sounds really interesting, and I didn’t expect “super easy” to be the feedback there. Sounds a bit overkill for my use case at home but I might look into it for work. Thanks for the info!\n
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    Oh god a borked BIOS is my nightmare… I don’t even know how you’d go about fixing that on a modern PC mobo… Let’s not jinx it shall we?
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                                If you’re sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os\n
                                \n
                                You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.\n
                                \n
                                It’s not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.\n
                                \n
                                Good luck op!
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                              EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.\n
                              \n
                              The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
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                          +body: "I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let’s not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?"
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                          > Remember the grub update fiasco?\n
                          \n
                          No. Was there a grub issue? I’ve only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
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                        [endeavouros.com/…/full-transparency-on-the-grub-i…](https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/)\n
                        \n
                        A LOT of people’s PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour’s team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn’t blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn’t my first chroot.
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                      That sounds stressfull! It’d put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I’m now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and *thank god* these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we’re in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.\n
                      \n
                      Rolling updates or no, I rarely `-Syu` on my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I’ll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I’ve avoided these types of dramas --statistically.
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                    Yeop, you can say that again. Can’t read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol\n
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                    Tbh I’m not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn’t enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
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                  > I know I should be smarter about them like you are\n
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                  TIL being lazy is “smart”.\n
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                  Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy’s garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you’d built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
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                Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol\n
                \n
                Edit: found brick mates: [reddit.com/…/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black…](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/)\n
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                Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn’t do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
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              Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don’t imagine it makes any difference, but… IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I’m an Radeon guy, won’t touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I’ve alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.\n
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              I dunno. I wonder why you’re having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
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            Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I’m on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.\n
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            Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can’t avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.\n
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            Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I’ve had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it’s plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn’t have an influence either.\n
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            Maybe I’m just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something’s bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also “been Arch with an easier install” for me, tbf.\n
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            Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn’t be asked yesterday. But if you’re curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)\n
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            Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by [enabling early KMS start](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start), and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it’s now required by Plymouth and my system didn’t get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
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          Ah. K, I think the differrence is that *I’m* the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:\n
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          On most of my systems, I’m not running any graphical system; they’re all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of *those*, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) – in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.\n
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          But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.\n
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          I think if I were using software like that, I’d consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like [snapper](http://snapper.io/) or [timeshift](https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift) that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
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        Ah no no, maybe I was unclear, but the issue occurs *during* the initramfs stage, long before any of my KDE/Plasma nonsense had any chance to run! KMS has nothing to do with KDE. ^^\n
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        Edit: You still likely are an outlier though :)
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      Oh, *that* plasma. Yeah, that naming conflict is totally not confusing.\n
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      You *could* switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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      Inspired by our discussion, I installed `snapper` on two boxen. I included `snap-pac` and `snapper-support` to get system change and `grub` integration; there’s probably also a utility out there that adds `visudo`-like snapshot-before-manual-edit of anything in `/etc`. If not, it’d be an easy script. `snapper-gui` and `btrfs-assistant` both look useful. While I’m comfortable with rescue SDs and restic backups, what I’m seeing with Arch’s `snapper` package is pretty nice, and super easy.\n
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      I suppose anything that borks `grub` is going to be a PITA no matter how immutable your OS, or how fancy your rollback. Or - god forbid - fucks up your BIOS firmware. I have never had that last happen, yet (knock on wood).
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    > You could switch all your repos to the core Arch ones. I did that by accident once, and it was fine (although, I did switch them back eventually). Maybe it’d add release stability? I’m not really clear how the EOS repos vary off the baseline, except by adding some custom packages.\n
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    They don’t afaik. EOS uses Arch’s repos directly, unlike Manjaro. Just adds its own on top for all the fancy EOS stuff. Which is why EOS was immediately affected by the grub meltdown and not Manjaro. (which kinda digs a few holes in the stability hypothesis, though Manjaro is another kettle of fish tbf)\n
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    Snapper sounds really interesting, and I didn’t expect “super easy” to be the feedback there. Sounds a bit overkill for my use case at home but I might look into it for work. Thanks for the info!\n
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    Oh god a borked BIOS is my nightmare… I don’t even know how you’d go about fixing that on a modern PC mobo… Let’s not jinx it shall we?
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      I feel ya. I was the same way. They said don’t distro hop so that was the first thing I did 🤣 I guess the thing with a lot other people is they are used to the thing that “just works” (whatever the fuck that means).\n
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