I kinda getcha. Design-wise, you could get a very close copy (but I don’t think 1:1. Never tried it tbf), but if we take the workflow into account, yeah it won’t be 100% the same (also, QT apps can be a turnoff depending on the person)
I recently moved to Fedora and tried gnome first. Absolutely no thanks. I just can’t get down with it, and I had numerous issues in just a few days. KDE spin has been pretty painless.
If you don’t mind me asking, was it because of the vanilla look, the customization being based on extensions (which may or may be updated for a while when a new version releases–if at all), or was it the Gnome philosophy of “One Window per workspace”?
Just curious really, I’m more of an XFCE and KDE user myself, and i can see the appeal of Gnome (and I’m NGL, it looks nice IMHO), but yeah…not a big fan of extensions breaking every version update and the “throw unused Windows in a new workspace” thing
I don’t mind the workspaces idea, but I’m just so used to a windows-like philosophy that I just can’t adjust easy.
If I had one monitor, maybe gnome would be better. Workspaces could organize myself better. But I have 3, and almost never use other workspaces in KDE. And my mint XFCE laptop isn’t a big work machine so it doesn’t matter much.
Also I had technical issues on gnome that didn’t happen on KDE.
My first distro was pop, and their version of gnome I do like. But I’m not willing to customize it enough to suit myself. I’m more of a “stock experience with small mods” kinda dude. I do enjoy Unix porn but don’t have desire to do it myself. That’s kinda why I’m not a massive fan of xfce. The default layout is really bad.
Ditto. I’ve just never found the use for workspaces myself (like, i understand why they’re there but they never really worked for me). I tried them, didn’t like the flow of it, so i just ignored them (and Gnome for the most part, save Pop_OS, but I’ve a love/hate relationship with it cuz it’s always caused me problems when i try it out. Hopefully the Cosmic Desktop they’re making will run better on my systems) in favor of the windows philosophy myself
Agreed on Vanilla/stock XFCE being rough (and i love XFCE), and vanilla Gnome being divisive, but i’m the opposite of you and love to tinker with my stuff–even KDE, which lools good OOTB i can’t just leave it alone lol
I have the complete opposite experience. I’ve never had a good fedora kde install. It always had issues out of nowhere. I’ve hopped so much until I settled on endeavourOS for over a year now. Beautiful distro
Could be. To be fair to fedora kde, I’ve only tried it on a laptop that has hybrid graphics Intel/Nvidia. I now have a desktop PC that is all AMD, but I built it with EndeavourOS and never anything else.
I use Plasma for a bit but instability, odd bugs, or visual inconsistency just becomes too much for me.
Gnome was a pain for a couple of weeks when I kept trying to use it like a Windows PC, but once the Gnome workflow “clicked” it just made so much more sense than the Win95 UX paradigm.
And it’s particularly annoying when kwin crashes, because it takes everything else down with it (that’s getting fixed in Plasma 6 though!) For me that’s an absolute show-stopper. I don’t want to lose hours of work across multiple programs because something caused kwin to crash.
5.27 is better to a ridiculous degree compared to how Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5 was, though. KDE is doing a lot of work to put the meme of their software being a buggy mess to bed.
Skimmed over the whole article – I wish this had been available back when I was trying to piece together the basics from the documentation. There really needs to be a 2nd part, though, with some discussion of the GVariant signatures, which the author says were ‘beyond the scope of’ this article – which is true; nevertheless, understanding that syntax (and how to use it e.g. with gdbus) is an absolute requirement for using dbus properly; and as a silly amateur, I lost so much time over them.
Humble guy, but that list of features that they’re working on is really impressive. Got a wee DragonFly Black USB audio thing that just never worked quite right with PulseAudio - install PipeWire instead, and it just does all its tricks. Great work team, keep it up.
I updated from Fedora 38 yesterday, and my Asus ROG Zephyrus G15 is working even better than before. The tool for controlling the discreet graphics card is working flawlessly now, unlike before. I would strongly recommend upgrading.
I’m talking about asusctl, supergfxclt, and rog-control-center which is a GUI front end for the previous two items. You can find lots of info and guides on it here.
I have a Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 gen 6, with 3k display, i7 13370H and a 53 Wh battery. The battery life is… not so great. After watching a 2 hour movie with an external full HD display, the battery loses around 30/40%. Using the laptop display, it would be more than 50%. The average battery life is around 4 hours, but if you tweak the parameters with Tuxedo Control Center, turning off some cores and the fans, and lowering the CPU frequency, it can last more than 6 hours. I feel like this model, with a new CPU and a bigger battery (almost doubled!), should do much better.
I just have new Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 gen 8, same display but i7-13700H and 99Wh batt. The battery is like 8+ hours normal office work.
Just as I bought it they announced new Pulse 14 with 60Wh battery, but that seems more energy efficient components, I wonder how good it would perform.
I have an older InfinityBook and a slightly less older Pulse. What I hate about both is the noise. The fucking fans are so incredibly annoying. Also they are not just loud, they scale up in weird steps (not linear) making it seem like something’s attacking.
In consequence I use it with throttled CPU most of the time, but then even the desktop can become laggy.
Theoretically it’s nice hardware, practically I won’t get another.
My model (the InfinityBook Pro 6) has two fans: when they ramp up they are clearly noticeable, but I don’t think they are that annoying. I feel like the noise is acceptable and justified by the laptop’s thinness, but that’s just my perception and it could be that the thermal department has changed through the generations.
I have an InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen 7, with the RTX 3050 Ti laptop, 2x2TB SSD, Intel i7-12700H and I believe also a 53 Wh battery (did not go for the battery edition with increased capacity, but instead the storage edition).
Even when using the integrated Intel GPU, the battery life is quite bad. With any kind of browser activity, I get about 2-2.5 hours. If I only do reading in Zotero with dark mode, I get up to 5 hours. For my use case, it is fine, but I could not have used this if I was dependent on working with no access to a power outlet.
Otherwise I am quite happy with Tuxedo though, and their support is usually very good. I hope they will succeed long term if they can also continue to improve on their products.
Basically nothing comes close to macbooks with apple silicon. Even the best amd cpu like 7840u with big battery, lcd screen and no dedicated gpu will still only manage around 6 to 8 hours usage. And that’s with it being clocked down to the slow as balls setting.
I actually need to send it in for repair - I think the GPU is fucked as I get irregular crashes where the screen(s) all go black, audio keeps playing but input is broken, and other weird things, like sometimes an external monitor flickers and shifts so the left third is actually shown on the right hand side of the screen…
D-Bus is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another. In addition to interprocess communication, D-Bus helps coordinate process lifecycle; it makes it simple and reliable to code a “single instance” application or daemon, and to launch applications and daemons on demand when their services are needed.
I actually installed 39 fresh on a asus gaming laptop and while before I had issues with multiple drivers not working correctly, this time it was incredibly painless and I haven’t has any issues with it.
I bought a System76 Darter a few months ago, it had problems with the screen brightness controls and external displays on Pop_OS. Installing 39 has been a breeze with everythibg just working so far.
To be fair, fedora 38 is already on the latest version of KDE Plasma unlike with gnome. I’m sure once we get Plasma 6 we’ll see the fedora spin support it not long after.
This is an amazing article for folks interested in the low level IPC dbus. systemd, network manager, and or applications are leveraging dbus and with the new dbusbroker I expect more and more applications leverage it. It’s MASSIVELY confusing at first, but this is such a great article I hope it helps anyone interested in thr low level communications of userspace level linux applications.
First, Fedora is not Red Hat but their own community. (Although heavily sponsored by Red Hat) Second, Red Hat is FOSS.
The ones hostile to FOSS are all the freeloading companies, which used the work of Red Hat to increase their own profit, w/o contributing anything back.
If it is so easy, cheap and so much fun to support a stable Distribution for 10 years with backports for security vulnerabilities and drivers, I am very surprised that we don’t have hundreads of community distributions which do this.
Finally, over the years Red Hat contributed a load of the things we take for granted now.
(Writing this as a happy Debian user. I am just tired of reading this kind of bullshit again and again and again.)
I’m with you on this. I’ve been using openSUSE since it was SuSE Linux, and I still here bs on occasion about how they sold out open-source to MS. I’m not a huge fan of what Novell did back in the day, although it did end up costing MS more money. That said the opensuse community is not whichever corporation owns SLE currently, and they still contribute back to the community.
Thanks! And I totally agree with you: We don’t have to defend or like what the corporations/companies do, most of their moves I don’t like. OTOH Linux would not be anywhere w/o their investment. (Sad look over to the *BSDs, Haiku and ReactOS.)
There is so much crazy good and innovative output from the communities around Fedora and openSUSE (I like what is happening with Aeon right now, very cool and innovative)… so IMHO it should be the default for every FOSS user to project the communities which produce great products free of charge from bullshiters. :-)
This is why I hate Linux fanatics. They think everything that isn’t Foss is malware or something. I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now. Like it or not is amazing, and with 39 it’s even smother. Never had any problems, works perfect with Gnome and nothing has ever broken. Even games play just like in windows with a bit of tweaking in proton. You should maybe try things first and not be so paranoid about Red Hat. It’s a company just like many others. You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers? This world is all about money, so stop complaining and just let people enjoy
I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now.
I’m not gonna suggest to you to switch distros or whatever. But most of the modern feeling you are seeing is just the DE, which you can use whichever one with whatever distro. As far as Fedora’s own stack the centerpiece which is the package manager is actually really slow comparing with anything else.
You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers?
Yeah. They wouldn’t. I think they actually already do have higher number of users than fedora actually. If they don’t, then Debian surely does.
Red Hat is a for profit company, and their first goal will always be that even if that means squeezing you and making the experience worse for you.
Community distros are explicitly about the community and not about profit, and it works quite well.
Red Hat’s business is mostly in servers and service to host for companies. Fedora is a side project at most. That’s why I find it funny that people think Red Hat is going to destroy Linux or something. My point was that companies want to make money, and if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro. I tried KDE and wasn’t for me. I got used to gnome’s workflow real quick, I have trouble using Windows even. And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie. Idk, I guess all this drama with Fedora is just pointless to me
if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.
Not how it works. And more so in general if you’re interested and curious do some reading on copyleft licenses. It’s truly a marvelous thing and they work quite well at keeping projects open.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro.
I absolutely can, what. It’s about the same as all other distros that don’t add much or at all to the upstream version.
And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie.
If you are interested in trying it some time, once you’re in the installer type “archinstall”. It’s a default installation script that makes it easy to install. There isn’t nearly as much upkeep as the memes would suggest.
I tried archinstall. It’s still not easy, specially if you are not very well versed in os installs. As long as Fedora works it will be fine for me.
In any case, whatever you install will be better than Microsoft’s Windows, now thats a predatory company! I’ll never go back to Windows. And maybe in the future I will try my luck with another distro
Fedora IS the most modern distro. First to adopt pipewire, systemd, enables flatpaks by default and btrfs. Probably other things I don’t know. Being first is one of their core goals
Afaik, Fedora is a free software. I don’t deny that, and I’m a free software fan. I don’t have any problems with fedora besides that it is too heavy for me.
It looks you also care about your freedom because you use gnu/linux and lemmy. However, it seems you have a different meaning of malware.
Softwere is a recipe. Any unwanted step is malicious. You can only determine a step as unwanted by seeing its source code.
Besides this, a softwere can have other functions that are not coming from the code but the license. Similarly they can be malfunctions. For example preventing you from modification.
So yes, propriatory software is malware. I use some malwares also, because they have no alternatives yet. But let me call them malwares.
Copyright is the example of capitalism polluting water to be able to sell clean water to people.
You’re not wrong. But you are talking about the extreme who won’t use anything non-FOSS. In general, it is fair to say that all proprietary software is malware.
No one is allowed to change and fix it but the developer, thus you are harmed by being dependent on the will and motivations of the dev. Increasing dependence is always malus
Yeah, they could do a better job by having a big button directing people to buy it at the website, but if you go to the “Buy” option in the top bar you’ll find it among all of their other offerings.
€1100 with the current F39 release discount and €1000 with the extra €100 discount for Fedora contributors
That’s incredibly overpriced for the spec and what you’re getting. Ouch. Why can’t somebody make a decent laptop that’s actually remotely cost competitive with a bog standard Windows laptop that I can just randomly buy at my local store?
Umm, check Lenovo, they are our partners at Fedora as well and have decently priced Fedora-preinstalled hardware as well. The thing with smaller companies is that they have smaller reserves and less stock than the tech giants like DELL or Lenovo.
This is a laptop with a 2 generation old processor and no real GPU being sold for about the same price as a Lenovo laptop with a Ryzen 7 + 4060 GPU in it. I think Lenovo scammed you.
This isn’t a jar of honey it’s a mass produced electronic device that’s only made in a select few factories in the world with some custom branding on it. Lenovo has just given them some old stock which they’re trying to flip. Very different scenario to a mom and pop store entirely.
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