No, this guy at least isn’t speaking Norwegian. Sounds more like Finnish.
You are probably thinking of apetor, who made some crazy videos, often involving vodka and swimming in icy waters. He was Norwegian and died a few years ago. I don’t think this is him though.
You are mixing him up with Apetor. Apetor was a norwegian dude making ice skating videos where he would swim and drink vodka. Very feel goody videos despite the alcohol. He died due to cancer some years ago. Nope, he actually died falling through ice while making a video.
This guy is Talahasseessahallat. Finnish alcoholic/mental health case with multiple evictions due to him trashing apartments in drunken rage. In Finland we have this concept “rappiotubetus” or “rappiotubettaja” which would translate to decadent youtube and decadent youtuber. Rappio doesn’t translate very well, I would describe it mostly as all the worst parts of decadence. Drunken rage, making a fool out of yourself, drug use. General degradation and ruin of human life. These people sustain these habits by livestreaming on youtube/twitch.
They’re not supporting him because they’re worried about his finances. They’re supporting him because they have faith in his leadership. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t care. Lots of CEOs are just empty suits, but Altman clearly has been doing something his workers liked.
It’s quite strange, I’ve been downloading torrents for more years than I can count, and I upload them from time to time, and I’ve always had the worry myself of how to name torrents: with dots? underscores? dashes? (although with spaces is definitely not an option).
I’ve even asked the questions on several forums and upload sites, read tutorials on these same sites etc and every time I’ve asked the answer has been: THERE IS NO STANDARD, even on the tutorials, I’ve never seen anything mentioned such a thing.
All this to say that I’m making a meme, and after so many years, this is the first time I’ve heard of a Warez scene, and several times in the same comments!, curious, isn’t it? I wish I’d heard about it before.
The problem is really that space is an argument separator, so to safely handle filenames with spaces you need to handle them special, either by escaping them, quoting the entire thing. This means that the filename with spaces can’t be just copy pasted wherever you want, you have handle them special. It adds complications that are resolved by just using a separator that isnt used for other things, like underscore, or dash. Dot I also don’t like as much as it’s used as a separator for extensions, but that’s a far easier problem to handle by just ignoring all but the last dot, leaving only one really bad edge case (a file that does not have an extension, that uses dot separator in its filename having the filesystem imply a wrong extension.
I’m with the person you’re replying to, what’s an example? I haven’t had a problem working with filenames with spaces in at least ten years on windows, Linux or Mac…
It’s also really good practice to account for weird characters in programs and shell scripts you write because then you don’t have injection vulnerabilities or unicode problems.
Seriously, what’s an example of spaces in filenames causing a problem?
Will error for example. It works fine for filenames without space, but if the filename has space in it, it will be interpreted wrong. But if your testing batch doesn’t have spaces in the filename, you won’t see the issue until it’s used on a file that does. Note ‘cat’ is a placeholder, any function/script that can be used on a file here will have the same issue.
Something similar to that caught me last week while I was unzipping multiple mods in bulk for a game.
The point I guess I was getting at was that even having “come up” with Slackware and a whole os that’s just 69 half baked scripts in a trenchcoat I adopted a more universal mindset and specific skill set when using scripts over ten years ago and find it hard to justify expecting sanitary inputs nowadays when it is harder and harder with Unicode and is a serious security threat to treat variables as passable strings.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that there isn’t a way to make a space in a filename cause an error, but that I can’t think of an example where allowing a space to affect things was a good or right way to do something.
In the specific example of the op, no spaces is a scene rule from the days of ftp and irc/usenet. The idea behind having only a subset of the ascii character set was to allow those services to work with the files and commands around them. There’s no reason to treat my own scripts and programs as if they’ll never encounter the galaxy of other characters that are flying around now and to be honest, theres no reason not to work in sane handling of non ascii characters in filenames even for code I only expect to touch scene stuff.
It used to be an unavoidable mistake when we dug up buried utilities. Now that there’s a number to call first it’s only the fault of the knucklehead with the shovel.
Please don’t read this as some kind of an argument. I think we basically agree and I’m not trying to get one over on you.
To be fair, I didn’t really focus on the biggest annoyance I’ve had with spaces in the file name: going between terminals and the GUI, most filenames you can copy and paste with wild abandon, but filenames with spaces always require special care, sometimes stripping the auto completed escaped space from file names from the terminal, or quoting or escaping the space when taking one from the GUI.
That can be a struggle. There used to be a context menu option in maybe xterm or the kde terminal emulator that would copy the wd and maybe even the highlighted file but I might be gpt hallucinating that last one.
After fucking up bad copying from the internet into a terminal about fifteen years ago I have tried to review and understand what’s happening when copying from or to the terminal even in part. It would be bad for me if there weren’t the possibility of (at best) having shit not work when I use middle click with abandon.
I been thinking a lot about designing technology to discourage people from using it. For example it’s a serious mistake when wearable displays are made to look like wayfarers. The danger of people accepting them socially to the point of being manipulated into a state of flow, dissociating from their reality through a combination of sight and sound augmented reality, is too high. Good design of wearable displays should prioritize function over form 100% and make the user look like an insane freak that no one wants to be around, forcing people to remove them in order to maintain social interactions.
I think copying to and from the terminal is like that. When going between an interface which is a very high level mediator of interaction with the machine and one that’s a very low level mediator, we should be alert, on guard and proofreading everything twice. It’s good that we have to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves copying and pasting into the terminal.
That’s a problem with the shell though, not the filesystem. It doesn’t matter which files filesystem you’re using; most interactive shells use spaces as token separators and therefore spaces in filenames need to be enclosed in quotes or escaped.
Re-enters group reluctantly, 29 minutes after the message, and sighs: “Fine. It’s been almost an hour since the last time. I really am overdo for more”
What is there to understand… a bunch of people doing weird shit they like to call art. If that’s the case, each of us does art every day, we just don’t film ourselves doing it and call it that. Shit, film it, put some interesting music as the shit exits your anus, post it, tadaaaa, art.
To be honest, I mostly just don’t get extreme performace art, like in the clip. I can listen to “extreme” (as in non-mainstream) music and watch “extreme” movies (like, let’s say Irreversible) and plays, but unless there is some dialogue… I’m sorry but, I don’t get it. Some performance art is cool and I get what they’re trying to say, but these extreme cases, no, I just don’t. Like the guy in the mummy outfit screaming. I bet that’s all there is in the performance… or a midget starts runnig half naked, also in a mummy costume (from top to half), or something like that… I mean, they’re predictable if you ask me. The point is to shock, nothing else IMO. I don’t think there is a point. The artist wants us to think there is one, so we wreck our brains “what was the artist trying to say 🤔”, while in reality, he just did some extreme shit, left the audience 😱 and them thinking “wow, he’s so artistic, he’s really good, the message was so strong” but when you ask those same people what the message was, they start studdering 😒. It’s all shenanagins, the artist stays all the wisers by not clearly stating what the message he was trying to say was (because there is none), the audience pretends like they understood what he was trying to say, but in fact didn’t understand shit cuz… well, there is nothing to understand.
how can you know these things when you only know a couple of seconds? that’s like saying you know a movie from having seen some short sequences of action scenes.
art isn’t how it looks but rather how it makes you feel, no? framing art (like in this video) robs the original art of their intention and creates a new perception on it.
kinda like saying rock music is bad because you heard of ozzy munching a bat or seeing marilyn manson harm himself on stage
I have seen other performance artists, the clip is not the first time I encounter performance art.
It makes me feel like I’m stupid for not getting what the artist was trying to say. There is nothing to get. I bet if you ask the artists to explain it, he will, but it’ll either make no sense, or he’ll say that he saw it in a dream or something like that.
Ozzy does stupid things because he’s Ozzy. Manson is a performance artist as well. That doesn’t mean his music is bad, but I would never go to a Manson concert. The Resident Evil acore was pretty good actually.
I am into art, just not performance art, and especially not performance art that is just done for the sake of art progressing, or whatever the reason of the artist might be to do some stupid unrelated things and call that art.
You’ve kind of hit the nail on the head, art is by definition anything the observer and/or the creator calls art and it creates some sort of emotional response in the observer.
By all means do a shit, film it and book somewhere to show it to an audience and you have indeed created art.
I agree that without any context, most of these clips look like ridiculous bullshit, but without understanding what the intention of the creator is and what the audience are getting from something you might as well just post clips of Star Wars without context and say “look how stupid this is LOL”
You’ve kind of hit the nail on the head, art is by definition anything the observer and/or the creator calls art and it creates some sort of emotional response in the observer.
Yeah it does, it makes me wanna look surprised and walk away. Does that make it art? No, at least not in my mind.
By all means do a shit, film it and book somewhere to show it to an audience and you have indeed created art.
See, this is why I stopped listening to alternative music. Cuz everyone just copy/pasted everyone else in the end, not to mention artists and bands, as old as time, just doing what they’re doing for the income, drugs and nothing else. They really don’t care about the music any more, some have even admitted that in public. So, am I supposed to listen to 100 albums on the off chance that I get to hear that one artists or band that actually made something new, interesting, not shitty, and different? No, thank you, I’m way past that point.
I agree that without any context, most of these clips look like ridiculous bullshit, but without understanding what the intention of the creator is and what the audience are getting from something you might as well just post clips of Star Wars without context and say “look how stupid this is LOL”
You know, I once went to this play called Solaris (there were movies made after the play as well, one English one Russian). Anyway, I was really excited because I really liked the movies (mainly the US version, the Russian one was somewhat boring, but watchable) and I was so pumped, I bought a ticket 3 weeks ahead.
So I go in and sit, the play starts and… it’s 5 hours long, 2 pauses in between… OK, I was expecting that, as long as it’s interesting, it doesn’t matter, right? And the play starts and it’s just… an hour and a half of slow motion movements, no dialogue, nothing… OK, I will be patient 😤. Oh, finally, some doaloge 🥳. 5 minutes, even that was in almost slow motion. Another hour passes with shit like in the clip, just people doing things that make no sense at all. That’s it. I got up, walked away from the theater. Those 3 hours have to be one of the most pointlessly spent ones in my entire life.
My point is, I knew the context of the movies, I knew what they were about and I saw none of that in the play. What does that say about the director of the play? Mind you, I wasn’t the only one leaving, the theater was mostly full, after an hour and a half there were like 30 people left, I was amongst the last ones to leave. How stupid can you be to think that 5 hours of that shit will keep people interested and trying to “decode” “what was the artists trying to say with this or that”. It can be interesting if it was a dose of it, like 15 minutes, but 5 hours of that shut, fuck no.
BTW, I bet you whatever ammount you like, I post a short Star Wars clip and screen it to people that have never seen Star Wars… 90% of people will understand what that scene was trying to say. It’s Star Wars, not Fight Club.
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