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SuperSpruce, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

I’m not the most knowledgeable on this subject, but I’m curious to learn more.

Why do various toolkits have major releases that seem to reset the features of the last one?

GTK 3 seems like GTK 2 but slower to me, and before the transition was even complete GTK 4 showed up, which just seems like GTK 3 but a bit different. Qt 5 works really well and is efficient on resources, so why are we switching to Qt 6? It seems like reinventing the desktop over and over again.

I understand updates for the kernel for compatibility, small to medium updates to all software for bug fixes and new features, and major updates to toolkits when there are big problems with the current release (X vs Wayland for example). Or if the current release was unreliable and bloated, which I heard was what happened with Qt 4 and why they switched to 5. But I also heard Qt 3 was really stable and lightweight, so why did they switch away from it?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Usually there’s big new features that accomodate more modern hardware better. As an example, Qt6 revamps support for Wayland, HDR, and scaling. Even these things on their own don’t seem like much, but if you go back to KDE 5 in 10 years time you’ll definitely feel like something is plain/dated (or completely not working if you’re on new hardware)

SuperSpruce,

Thank you for the explanation! What specifically does Qt 6 do that Qt 5 can’t do?

Antergo,

Gtk 3->4 made a lot of internal changes, and at least some were related to making wayland work. Wayland “worked” in gtk3, however it was very much an afterthought, and half the toolkit was useless under wayland. Other changes are usually required for changes related to rendering, gtk4 had vulcan rendering which may require some breaking changes. Another thing is just general breaking changes that are good, sometimes you realise some decision was bad, and a new major release is just a way to make these.

From the end users perspective nothing much changes, it maybe looks a bit different, but not much besides that. But a vulcan renderer and being fully wayland compatible are major improvements that also improve the user experience, even if you don’t notice directly.

SuperSpruce,

Interesting. I’m guessing the changes were too big to just be added incrementally in updates to GTK 3?

Markaos,
@Markaos@lemmy.one avatar

Usually the problem isn’t that the changes are big, but that the new way simply isn’t compatible with the old way to do things, and you can’t just make a change that will break existing applications in minor versions (well, there’s nothing technically stopping you, and unintentional compatibility breaking bugs have definitely happened in the past, but people are gonna get real mad at you if you do that). Even if you break that change up into thousand tiny changes over many minor versions, the end result is that at some point, you break old apps.

The solution is to take note of all the things that are either badly designed or became obsolete and once in a while go “hey, let’s make a new major version and fix all of this crap”. With a new major version, you don’t have to worry about old applications and are free to improve your library in any way you wish, and you also get the option to keep updating the old major version with some maintenance bugfixes so that the old apps keep working well enough.

SuperSpruce,

The unfortunate consequence of this is that old working apps need compatibility updates.

qaz, (edited ) to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

I actually quite like the current breeze style with the sharper edges, it sets it apart from other designs.

imgel, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

Great criticism overall. Yes, it’ll be improved.

smileyhead, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

I liked old look more. Would prefer to add even more preinstalled icons instead.

woodgen, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

Why is everything a folder? What does a debian or android folder do?

omnissiah,
@omnissiah@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

It folds Debian to prevent Debian prions

XTornado,

Debían no idea… But I guess android could be android studio folders or similar stuff?

FooBarrington,

It’s deb, not Debian, so I’d assume it’s the icon for .deb files (which are browsable archives).

richardisaguy, (edited )
@richardisaguy@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, everything will be a folder in plasma 6, including applications, don’t worry, you I’ll love the new Firefox folder. Its the natural progression of things, don’t try to stop it.

leap123,
@leap123@lemmy.world avatar

Everything’s previously a file, now everything is a folder

Holzkohlen,

Look forward to Plasma 6 where everything will be an application. Downloads folder? That’s an application now. A font you just installed? Application. The video you just downloaded? You guessed it

fafok20662, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

yuck

jcdenton, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks
@jcdenton@lemy.lol avatar

Kinda hard to tell with the symbols due to the white on light blue

wewbull, to linux in KDE KWin Merge Request For Triple Buffering

Errrm, could they please leave some memory to other processes? KDE already takes about 1.5GB of VRAM on my RX7600 8GB just running a desktop (dual head 4k + 1440p displays). Yes, things can get swapped out to main memory, but that becomes choppy. I’d rather run single buffered, get the odd screen tear, and have the VRAM back for real work.

ItsPlasmaSir,

It says in the article that triple buffering only activates if your GPU struggles to render the desktop. That means old and weak iGPUs are getting this. For your desktop card nothing should change.

Pantherina, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

This is soooo good

penquin, to linux in KDE KWin Merge Request For Triple Buffering

Nice. I keep forgetting to install it. Plasma is snappy as is

ShitOnABrick, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Looks awesome

JRepin, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks
@JRepin@lemmy.ml avatar

Loving the new style. Still a bit of rough edges to polish and can’t wait to see them in practice after the finall release in February next year.

StephniBefni, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

Looks like mountain lion

possiblylinux127, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

I want to like KDE but its still way to unstable for me on Fedora. Its probably just a matter of time before its stable enough for daily usage

jsh,

Nvidia?

possiblylinux127,

No

danielfgom, to linux in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

The folder “Notes” and the folder “Library” literally could be anything. There’s no way you show that to any user and they guess the name correct.

And this is the problem I have with all of the icons used in menu’s throughout KDE. I don’t know what the hell they are supposed to be! Even more so as the eyesight gets worse with age.

This is why I don’t use KDE.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

You can change icon theme in kde.

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