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electric_nan, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

Wait til you hear where TOR gets its funding!

mahony, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

Just dont stop at starbucks one morning and send those 5 bucks to Signal. One coffee a year will make a difference. I have my rocket emoji already.

jman6495, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

This article sounds extremely fishy and borderline conspiracy-like to me.

Imho the only guarantee of privacy I need is the source code.

phoneymouse, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

The bit about Tor is interesting

knfrmity,

Yeah, I got called an idiot for pointing out that connection here a few weeks ago.

cypherpunks, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding
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I have mixed feelings about this article. It gets some stuff right, but also some stuff wrong and it misses some important details.

  • I don’t think Signal has actually received money from OTF (Radio Free Asia) since 2015 or so; if it needed any today it would likely get it from one of the less transparent US government internet freedom funding vehicles. There is no indication they are “facing collapse” beyond a blog post talking about their expenses and soliciting donations.
  • This article mentions “over a billion” people repeatedly, but doesn’t explain that number is actually referring to WhatsApp (which uses the encryption protocol developed by Signal). Signal says they have 40 million active users.
  • It doesn’t mention that Brian Acton (billionaire WhatsApp founder) gave them a $50M interest-free loan when he co-founded the Signal Foundation with Moxie in 2018, and became its “executive chairman” or whatever. That “loan” had increased to over $100M by the end of 2018, and is presumably much larger today.
  • It doesn’t mention that Signal Foundation president Meredith Whittaker worked at Google for over a decade, and co-founded a department there that worked alongside OTF on various internet freedom projects (and was later on the OTF advisory board herself)
  • it doesn’t mention the salient properties of Signal which actually make it particularly beneficial to US interests (keeping the communications of privacy-desiring people associated with their phone numbers while concentrating their metadata on Amazon servers)
pdt8, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

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Gutless2615, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

Second day in a row this spam fud has been posted.

tavu, (edited )

Sorry everyone, I did try searching the lemmyverse for any previous postings of this article using “signal” in the search feature on my instance, but it turned up nothing at the time.

Lemmy.world seems to have a handle on all the cross posts: lemmy.world/post/9121235

LWD, (edited ) to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

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  • JoeBidet,
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    yet it’s fair to say that:

    • Signal was incepted by US gov funds
    • During most of it’s initial conception phase it was US gov funded
    • therefore some of the characteristics its users still suffer today (like reliance on strong selectors, pinky-promise of non-retaining metadata, centralized architecture based on the same “cloud” as the one of the CIA and other decisions hostile to free/libre software users and ethics) originate from that era.
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  • JoeBidet, (edited )
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    Between 2013 and 2016, Open Whisper Systems received grants from the Shuttleworth Foundation,[49] the Knight Foundation,[50] and the Open Technology Fund.[51]”

    “Marlinspike launched Open Whisper Systems’ website in January 2013.[2][1]”

    (from the page you linked)

    How is that not the OTF (100% funded by Radio Free Asia) since its inception? how is it not its initial conception phase?

    LWD, (edited )

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  • JoeBidet,
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    well before 2013 it wasnt “Signal” but some proprietary software. After 2016 it wasn’t anymore “the initial phase”

    Funny how you don’t seem to be wanting to see 2013-2016, but it’s OK. facts speak for themselves :)

    TWeaK, to privacy in Signal Facing Collapse After CIA Cuts Funding

    US government: “Make us an app that people can use to subvert suppressive regimes.”

    Developer: makes Signal

    US Citizens: “Hey, that’s a useful app…” installs

    US Government: “No, not like that!”

    JoeBidet,
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    US government: “Make us an app that people can use so we are the only ones accessing their meta-data.” Developer: makes SignalUS Government: 👍

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  • JoeBidet,
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    Bruce Schneier is also probably just a conspiracy theorist, when he writes in 2014:

    "By the way, the Register noted that Whisper Systems (along with Tor and several other privacy projects) received $450,000 from Radio Free Asia – which is pretty much an official State Department / CIA propaganda organ, isn’t it? How exactly does this work as a coherent national security strategy, when State is funding ‘privacy’ while NSA is funding eavesdropping? opentechfund.org/…/otf2013annualreportfinal.pdf"

    www.schneier.com/blog/…/whatsapp_is_now.html

    oh and that linked annual report of the OTF, like the following ones, doesn’t seem to be online anymore… :))

    what a joke

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  • JoeBidet,
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    You’re right! I don’t know either.

    The facts remain, though.

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