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  • Anonymouse,

    Good call-outs! I feel like this sort of legislature would also appeal to both sides of the aisle.

    VolunTerry, (edited )

    "Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it."

    • Plato

    "In most cases, those who want power probably shouldn’t have it, those who enjoy it probably do so for the wrong reasons, and those who want most to hold on to it don’t understand that it’s only temporary."

    • John C. Maxwell,
    merc, to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    Simplify that to “Piracy isn’t stealing”. Copyright infringement (so-called piracy) is very different from stealing.

    Sure, if “buying” isn’t permanent despite assurance it was at the time, then copyright infringement is even more justified. But, copyright infringement isn’t and has never been stealing.

    UnapologeticAnarchist, to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    Propertarians and the stuff they ruminate on…

    NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited ) to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    Do I like the lease model that we have been living with for the past 30-40 years? No. I can’t argue it is fundamentally broken (see “30-40 years”) but it does lead to corner cases like the insanity impacting all streaming services at this point. And that is why I love “physical media” that I can rip and put on a plex server.

    But I hate this “argument” almost as much as I hate “There is no ethical consumption under capitalism”. It has nothing to do with either a philosophical discussion or an attempt to make things better and is just a way for people to feel good about taking the easy way out.

    Because, much like with “piracy is for preservation of video games”, it begins with the false premise of what the media being consumed is. We aren’t talking about a book (… except when we are). We are talking about something a lot closer to a stage show at a theatre. You don’t own every production of Hamlet ever made just because you bought a ticket once. Hell, you don’t even own every production by the 14th Street Acting Troupe. You own that night’s production where Wendy’s boob popped out of her top and Sean couldn’t score any blow before the show and so forth.

    This argument is basically saying that there are no moral or ethical* concerns with holding up a camcorder in a theatre or outright jumping the ticket stand because you wouldn’t own it anyway.

    And before people start claiming that it is digital media so it is always the same, it isn’t. Remember how we apparently went from Game of Thrones being THE GREATEST HOUR OF TELEVISION EVER MADE during Battle of the Bastards to it being THE ABSOLUTE WORST PIECE OF DOGSHIT EVER CREATED when nobody could see what was going on because all the blacks of the ice zombie war were crushed worse than all the redshirts Jon-boy climbed on in the previous episode? HBO Max isn’t (entirely) paying for the ability to rewatch a guy fuck his aunt any time we want (heh, who remembers all the sex shows on HBO?). It is about being part of that discussion. It is about “experiencing” people who have never seen a war movie that didn’t star Channing Tatum lose their mind over horror. It is about being part of the discussion on what HDR even is. And that is why a lot of film makers really dislike how many people will never see a movie in theatres and instead watch it on a cell phone screen.

    But also: If you want to pirate, just fucking pirate. I have a set of “rules” that I use to decide when I pirate versus buy stuff, but I am not going to pretend I am morally righteous for having the 90s Battletech cartoon on my plex server.

    Which mostly speaks to people being REALLY immature and incapable of acknowledging they do good and bad. The discussion is always “this isn’t piracy” rather than “Who fucking cares if it is piracy?”. Because even thinking for a moment that you did a “bad” (and then not caring) is beyond people.

    As for why I wish people would reassess and actually critically think? Mostly because the bog standard neckbeard “Achshually, I am morally righteous and smarter than you” is fucking annoying. But partly because that is how you actually get feedback out there. I’ve gotten the Netflix “sorry to see you go, can you tell us why?” card a few times. And every time I answer a variation of “You fund awesome shows that I want to watch and I have no problem paying 20 or even 40 bucks for a season of The Last Kingdom. But I am not going to pay that every month. Which puts me into the weird case of deciding I will buy a month of Hulu instead because, even if their shows aren’t as good, they have enough of them to ‘justify’ the month.”. Which probably goes in a bin, but hopefully leads to thoughts on whether Glass Onion should get a blu-ray release and so forth.

    *: Remember kids, ethics are not morality. And if you do have an ethical system that justifies this, cool. But that is the kind of thing that takes serious thought and constant reevaluation.

    dangblingus,

    There isn’t any ethical consumption under capitalism though.

    crowbar, to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    Can we just let people do whatever they want as long as they don’t kill people? If you want to pirate go on idc about your reasons, if you want to buy/rent/subscribe then go on idc about your philosophy, people is having too much time to debate this

    floofloof,

    So you want everyone to be able to go about their business except people who want to discuss things? Why don’t you go about your business? And how do people discussing things on the internet stop you?

    catch22,

    Totally, if you want to profit gauge from the population, that’s you’re thing. These executives worked hard getting into the privileged position they’re in, they should be allowed to take advantage of it. People are just whiny right?

    Damage, to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    This must be the 5th repost I’ve seen of this. Is something going on?

    dangblingus,

    It was posted by the instance owner, so you’ll have to ask them.

    newerAccountWhoDis, to piracy in Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    Noo piracy isn’t stealing I’m a lawful citizen

    wojak-nooo

    vs.

    Yes I’m a thief got a problem with that

    gigachad

    hemko,

    Are we on the same boat?

    Yes I don’t care if it’s stealing. Or maybe I do, stealing from Disney makes it more enjoyable to watch my action packed comedy superhero movie

    interolivary, to news in Biden wants to ban ripoff "financial advisors"
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    This isn’t exactly “world news”

    JokeDeity, to news in Biden wants to ban ripoff "financial advisors"

    Neat? There’s far bigger crooks you could go after though.

    iHUNTcriminals, to news in Biden wants to ban ripoff "financial advisors"

    Let’s work on getting rid of lobbying and electoral college. And not work on anything else until America’s government system is actually unfucked.

    Anything less is the same horse and carrot show as it ever was.

    Don’t settle.

    shiveyarbles,

    And fucking make Congress about representing the people, instead of self enrichment. Including stock trades on inside info

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  • Vodulas,

    There is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that is close to succeeding.

    …wikipedia.org/…/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate…

    Kind of a workaround but with the same result

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  • Vodulas,

    No doubt there will be a legal battle, but there are 6 states with pending votes, and those six would be enough to cross the 270 electoral vote threshold. The legal battle will hopefully bring it into greater public consciousness.

    ParanoidFactoid, (edited )
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  • HalJor,
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    It only needs approval from enough states to total 270 electoral votes among themselves to kick in, because those states will have pledged their electoral votes to the popular winner, even if the vote in any of those states favors another candidate. This is covered in the Wikipedia article linked above.

    marco,
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    I want all those things, but in reality, if anything will improve it will be in small incremental steps.

    FlashMobOfOne,
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    No, it won’t. That is how change has been sold for the last 40 years, and people are not only being paid significantly less, housing is quickly becoming too scarce for everyone to obtain too.

    If meaningful change happens, it will because people revolted.

    meyotch,

    Pressure must be applied from many sources for real change to occur. Ballot power, media power, people power, any lever we can find. We should not fault others for passionately pursuing the changes they can make. This is a war with many fronts.

    FlashMobOfOne, (edited )
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    Pressure must be applied from many sources for real change to occur.

    Yet without a real, existential threat, nothing meaningful is going to change. Hell, we just saw Roe go up in smoke while Democrats had the presidency AND Congress. Their response to this massive loss of liberty was to fundraise.

    Nothing is going to change this trajectory except the Marsha P. Johnson school of brick throwing.

    fwygon,

    To be fair; this ruling is a result of Trump packing the SCOTUS, not something Biden himself did.

    Not saying this wasn’t a Democratic party failing; they let Trump win in the first place during all that kerfuffle about Hillary.

    But I do think we have to consider the context.

    FlashMobOfOne, (edited )
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    To be fair: Democrats also did absolutely nothing to get their SCOTUS nominee confirmed when Obama was president, though since we saw them exploit the Roe leak to make a cool $80,000,000, we kinda know where their priorities were anyway.

    After four years of Trump, I’m not buying any excuses that the president is powerless.

    fwygon,

    yeah no, you’re missing the point.

    What Trump did was a gross abuse of power.

    MJBrune,

    How do you equate 80 million in donations so that or democracy is not eroded more to eroding that democracy itself? That’s some really silly logic if you ask me.

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