That’s because nuclear energy is green. It doesn’t produce any greenhouse gas emissions. You having bought into the fearmongering about nuclear doesn’t change reality.
Given that my inextant basement wouldn’t be a facility equipped to store or process nuclear waste had it existed, I’d obviously have some reservations. Having lived near such a facility however, and having been involved politically with it, I have no big qualms about it no. Why do you?
Nuclear power is often assumed to be greenhouse gas neutral because it is indeed nearly neutral if it comes to the process of generating energy. But resources like uranium has to be gathered, plants has to be built, and it needs a solution for the final disposal.
While I don’t think we should close existing power plants, but there are much better solutions. Better in terms of economy and pollution.
There are also numerous studies about the costs of a nuclear power plant…
Me saying that you’re right doesn’t make sense? A house built using cement isn’t CO2 neutral. A house built using wood uses less CO2, but it isn’t neutral either. A nuclear reactor won’t be CO2 neutral, even if the fission process or the turbines don’t generate any CO2. A wind turbine by comparison, while it won’t have the same output capacity as a nuclear reactor, would use a lot less CO2 to manufacture and assemble.
Nuclear power is extremely green when compared to fossil fuel and can act as an excellent stopgap while ramping up renewable energy sources. You’re right that it isn’t a long term solution, but even replacing a few coal fired plants with nuclear ones for the next 30 years would be better than running the coal plants for 20 years until you can displace them with renewables.
That’s a lie. The statistic you’re skewing is about radiation near nuclear power plants under normal operation. It’s not about the radiation nuclear waste for many thousands of years. Exhaust gases from coal plants are very slightly more radiating than natural background radiation but the amount is so tiny, it doesn’t matter. (The CO2 is bad, though.)
And it’s much more green than solar if you consider only greenhouse gas emission over the whole lifetime, including construction. But there are other problems for sure.
Wrong, I wish the Reddit Nuclear circlejerk won’t come to Lemmy. Over multiple studies the mean value is more like 66g of CO2 but it still produces more emissions than solar per kwh. source
Ok I knew my data were old but I wasn’t expecting such a change. I based my answer on the latest “complete” report I knew and it was from 2011. I was expecting the solar to reduce emission as the technology improved obviously, but I found it very strange that the nuclear emission was higher in your source than in the one from 2011. After reading carefully it turns out that the change in safety and regulations for building new nuclear powerplants changed and lead to a big increase of the co2 emission during building. I thought that most of the co2 emission from nuclear was from uranium/plutonium extraction and enrichment but apparently the building itself is a major part of it.
Does it still produce more emissions than solar when your have spin up the natural gas plant every winter because people need heat and the sun isn't out?
Does it still produce more emissions than solar when your have spin up the natural gas plant every winter because people need heat and the sun isn’t out?
Wind blows regardless of season. Geothermal is active around the clock. Hydropower works best in rainy seasons.
Wind is just as unreliable as support and hydro/geothermal are very niche forms of power that don't really work at the scales needed to run large scale civilization.
All green energy is intermittent. We need storage and/or we need nuclear. Storage isn't technologically feasible yet. Nuclear is. We need to reduce emotions soon. Build nuclear plants. Keep trying to figure out storage so we can decommission them later
Wind is just as unreliable as support and hydro/geothermal are very niche forms of power that don’t really work at the scales needed to run large scale civilization.
Geothermal literally works everywhere where you can dig a deep hole and claiming that hydropower is niche is just an insane lie.
All green energy is intermittent.
I thought nuclear is green? Now you’re just saying the opposite of what you said before just to fit your agenda.
How come of all the countries mentioned in the Tweet screenshot all except France manage just fine with renewable energies? Funny…
You will need a lot of really deep holes to make significant power in most places. Of course you can get to the mantle from anywhere on earth. That doesn't make it practical.
Now you’re just saying the opposite of what you said before just to fit your agenda.
Don't be a pedantic shit.
pumped storage
Works when you have a lake on a mountain and a lake below the mountain. 90 percent of places? No such luck.
After all those decades of trying to figuring out where to store the highly toxic waste and so far nobody figured it out.
Literally just in a mountain or deep underground. It's been figured out
You will need a lot of really deep holes to make significant power in most places. Of course you can get to the mantle from anywhere on earth. That doesn’t make it practical.
Each hole needs to be only dug once and then generates heat for easily a billion of years.
Don’t be a pedantic shit.
How uplifting of a statement you made there. I guess I hit a nerve there.
Works when you have a lake on a mountain and a lake below the mountain. 90 percent of places? No such luck.
“The lake on the mountain is built upon a flat surface, requiring a dam around the entire perimeter.”
Building a roughly circular dam sounds not so hard.
Literally just in a mountain or deep underground. It’s been figured out
Funny how nobody does this then. The concerns by scientists about potentially contaminating ground water is just fearmongering then…
Really I think your entire attitude here stems from a really big underestimation of how difficult large scale projects line geothermal boreholes and dams are, and how large these projects would have to actually be.
Really I think your entire attitude here stems from a really big underestimation of how difficult large scale projects line geothermal boreholes and dams are, and how large these projects would have to actually be.
OTOH building nuclear reactors, keeping them safe enough not to blow up, and then handling nuclear waste: Piece of (yellow) cake! Digging a hole to pump some water in: So difficult. Digging a hole to definitively totally safely store nuclear waste: Sooo easy.
Yeah, you’re just hilariously out of touch with the scale of these projects.
Absolutely. I obviously vastly overestimate what’s involved with nuclear power: building a nuclear power plant, maintaining that plant, mining uranium, shipping it, processing nuclear waste, storing nuclear waste, etc. when in reality all one needs to do is to dig a shallow hole in the ground, dump the fuel rods there and it’s all done. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Yep, this usually eshews the nuclear parts of building construction and fuel transports. That being said, older solar panels and wind farms are a problem as far as I remember from local news, as they’re tricky~impossible to recycle and die pretty quickly. Newer generations replacing them of course no longer have that problem, but if anything that shows that the comparison is a bit senseless in the first place.
If nuclear waste is so harmless, how come since decades nobody on the planet has ever figured out how to get rid of the waste? Or are you the fist one, offering your basement for that harmless stuff?
My parents give out full size bars and kids go absolutely nuts for it. This year, a girl gasped softly when she saw the bars and whispered, “they’re big!”
What really grinds my gears - literally - is having to have two sets of sockets because America. It’s really gets annoying when you lose your 10mm socket and the other one isn’t quite right, but you can’t work out is 18/32s is close enough and then you bust a nut.
American cars have been using both metric and SAE fasteners since at least the 1980’s. I wish they would just gone all metric so I wouldn’t have to drag out two socket sets anytime I need to do anything.
I just hate the fact if 10mm is too big, I can get 9mm, but if 15/16 is too big, fuck me, I guess. Bringing the full toolbox over because what random fucking bullshit number comes before it?
Like I’m here to fix shit, not do math to figure out which socket is one size smaller.
I mean, microSD makes for much more interesting drama. You can hide it in the lining of a suit, sew it underneath the skin, hide it in a ball point pen, in your pet. MicroSd drama is much more sneaky.
You know what pissed me off earlier this year? We took a trip from the U.S. to Canada and my Prius didn’t even have the option to show kmph instead of mph on the dashboard. We looked through the manual, we looked online. My specific model doesn’t allow it. Why?!
As somebody living in the darkest timeline, I can’t tell if he was thanking the frog because he knew it would kill him. Thank you kind frog for the sweet release of death
I remember when movies/games first started using UBS sticks to contain important plot-macguffin data, it seemed very high-tech and expensive. Of course, now high-capacity sticks are incredibly cheap so anyone can have a whole drawer of them.
I liked when they used minidisks. It looked high tech and you could toss it around, unlike a cd. And it was bigger than a usb stick, so it was a better plot device.
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