NeoNachtwaechter,

I have met several people who moved into Usa during the last years, and they all said Yes very much.

someguy3,

Moved from where?

NeoNachtwaechter,

Some Germans and some Usamericans who had lived in Europe for a while.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Why would you do that?

jjjalljs,

You can read “The Paranoid Style In American Politics” from 1964 for some insight: harpers.org/…/the-paranoid-style-in-american-poli…

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

It’s written at a higher than 6th grade target, so it might be a challenge for anyone who’s not used to that. Please give it a good faith effort to read.

Thinking about it, the low literacy rate in the US might be an aggravating factor. Something like half of US adults cannot read at a 6th grade level. That’s going to hurt their ability to deal with complex topics.

JungleJim, (edited )

It’s written at a higher than 6th grade target, so it might be a challenge for anyone who’s not used to that. Please give it a good faith effort to read

You know, you lose a lot of people with comments like that, talking down to everyone. You’ve provided a source that makes a lot of good points, but that’s some alienating phrasing that’ll make people feel you’re elitist.

jjjalljs,

On the one hand, you’re right.

I wrote that bit because when I was reading the linked article, it felt harder to read and understand than what I’m used to. So it wasn’t really coming from malicious elitism.

On the other hand, I want to live in a world where people don’t feel insulted (even when it was by accident, like here!) and just completely stop listening. I know I do it too, but it sucks.

Especially with the “elitism” facet. Sometimes other people actually are better than us on whatever topic. That’s okay. Like if we were talking about math and you were like “This uses some complex algorithms so it might be hard to follow if you haven’t done more than algebra in a few years” I’m not going to be mad. What would I even be mad about?

JungleJim,

I’m sorry for assuming your intentions were less than innocent and positive. I also want to live in that sort of world, and I hope it didn’t seem like I was jumping on your case or calling you a jerk. I just think it’s important to choose our words in a way that encourages people to read. Too often people think they’re bad at reading or math or something and so they avoid it, when it should be more like singing; it doesn’t matter if it sounds good, we sing as a manner of expression. Reading should be for everyone. But, I was misguided, and you weren’t disagreeing with that notion, and so I’m sorry.

jjjalljs,

It is very rare for anyone on the internet to apologize or admin fault. Well done. Thank you. I understand your intent and I’m not mad. Apology accepted.

anarchy79,
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Oh no. Telling the truth alienates all of the idiots? We should really coddle them more, because that’s what’s important- their feelings.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

“Read at a 6th grade level”

I thought it worked like, when you know how to read, you know how to read, and if you don’t, you won’t.

jjjalljs,

There are different reading levels, but I don’t know a lot about them because I’m not in education.

You can probably recognize it even if you never thought about it before. “See spot run” or “Green eggs and ham” are very simple texts. Something like “the Great Gatsby” or “the Hobbit” are more complex, and a 2nd grader would struggle to read them even if they technically know how to read.

Technical manuals, works on a specialist topic, or … my knowledge fails me a little here, but like more complicated novels, may be more advanced. More advanced in vocabulary, sentence structure, and things like symbolism, metaphor, or whatever cool shit House of Leaves was doing.

I don’t know how legit this site is, but it seems to cover the topic www.weareteachers.com/reading-levels/

I think this is a sample of a text written at the 6th grade level www.oxfordonlineenglish.com/…/reading . I looked it up when that article about how most adults can’t read and comprehend at that level was going around.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

The Great Gatsby is shit, and the Hobbit is even worse. It doesn’t affect the situation here, but just wanted to make sure we’re on the same page.

So reading level is basically a stupidity meter. If you can read this text, you’re a moron. But you’re less of a moron if you can read this text.

jjjalljs,

I don’t think we’re really on the same page. Literacy and intelligence aren’t the same thing. But if you take nothing else away from this, I think you got the “higher reading levels are more complex” thing. Maybe.

Also I think you have a typo and one of your can should be can’t

anarchy79, (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Bold of you to assume I have a point, and that’s not a typo. That’s the duality of existence.

MajorHavoc,

Thinking about it, the low literacy rate in the US might be an aggravating factor.

if those kids could read, they would be very upset

ani,

Americans are mentally ill by nature. You just need to be in America and you are infected with mental illness and obesity. This is the reason why Americans are more prone to conspiracy theories including the idea that if you are fit you will fluctuate to space, thus most Americans become comorbidly obese to keep them in the Earth’s ground atmosphere. The solution for this is to deny Americans having crazy children who shoot schools and other types of mass murders.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

So it’s a geological issue then?

ani,

Yes, it is actually a geopolitical issue that affects the biology of Americans. The Pacific Province has active volcanoes that expel smoke and when inhaled makes Americans in the region feel lightweight and as if fluctuating. The Columbia Plateau terrain is formes by basaltic lava that erupted millions years ago; this terrain has special characteristics that make it smoother than other types, so Americans feel like fluctuating instead of being in the ground. The Appalachian Highlands were formed by colliding the North America Plate with the African and Eurasian plates, so when American walk through these places they feel like being in a continent other than North America. The list goes on, but we shall also remember America is a capitalist neoliberal country which is a modern framework for society, so Americans are very stressed out by this system that’s very different from when they were hunter-gatherers; this difference creates an environment prone to the development of mental illness and believing in conspiracy theories. The result: children shooting schools.

anarchy79, (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I am fully aware of the basaltic flows of the Pacific North West and elsewhere, mind you, but how do you feel about Deccan traps?

GrammatonCleric,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

David Icke is English 😂

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

There is nothing funny about that.

GrammatonCleric,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

The irony is pretty funny 😁

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Ok it’s really funny. What. You tryna start something?

Rhynoplaz,

I feel like Americans generally “know better”. The bottle says to take two, we know better than to follow the label, we take four. The button says to hold until three quarters full, we know better than to fall for that coffee stealing scheme, we crank that baby till it spills over and then try to add 10 creamers with a name we can’t pronounce. So when we hear that someone died under a bizarre circumstance, we know better.

TropicalDingdong,

I feel like Americans generally “know better”. The bottle says to take two, we know better than to follow the label, we take four. The button says to hold until three quarters full, we know better than to fall for that coffee stealing scheme, we crank that baby till it spills over and then try to add 10 creamers with a name we can’t pronounce. So when we hear that someone died under a bizarre circumstance, we know better.

I have taken to calling this “American Exceptionalism”. Its in some ways baked in to how Americans address their world. I think much of it comes from pride-in-struggle, that for many Americans, their pride is all they have. And so this needs to be bolstered, put up front.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

A combination of narcissism and solipsism, truly messed up and dangerous .

Diabolo96, (edited )

The Simple answer is No. Every country has its fair share of loud and dumb.

anarchy79, (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

The complicated answer is, the less education and the more propaganda, the more likely you are to believe dumb shit.

Boozilla,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

Only an agent of the New World Order would post this.

ApostleO,

You know too much, Trent Miller. Would be a shame if people knew you lived at 221b Evergreen Terrace, Castle Rock Maine.

andrewf,

Yes. The lizard people engineered us that way.

AnalogyAddict,

America has vast tracts of arable land with people who have nothing to look at but fields and endless sky, and who get very little contact with other humans.

replicat,

Australians seem to have a thing for conspiracy theories too.

fidodo,

Nope, but it’s not that Americans falling for conspiracies is over blown, just that there are a lot of idiots everywhere.

themurphy, (edited )

The anti-vax movement is alot bigger in the US than any other western country, so yeah.

That’s basically the answer.

PhlubbaDubba,

No, we just have a larger presence on the internet relative to our share of the global population, meaning our idiocy is noticed a lot more often.

Call it the Florida Man effect, it’s not that other states don’t also have crazies, it’s just that Florida’s are more well documented and publicized.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

Absolutely not. People might give you reasons Americans are but that’s because they don’t know about the crazy shit people believe elsewhere but there’s nowhere that’s immune to conspiracy theories.

The thing that differentiates America is that it’s a major country (so on TV a lot, in English) and a low-trust society. But Italy and Uganda and Japan all have wild ass conspiracy theories. (Italy has some actual conspiracies like Propaganda Due.)

K0W4LSK1,
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I would also add things we consider conspiracy like UFO’s have been seen all over the world just other countries usually have a religious or spiritual reason for the sightings and thus they don’t become a conspiracy just part of their everyday life. Look up Jacques Vallee he does great research into this.

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