I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl. They both contain a lot of the same bacteria, you wouldn’t be much better off licking an old used plate that has been sitting in a moist environment for a few days before you put the dishwasher on than you would be from licking a toilet brush. Well made dishwashers are designed to vigorously wash and, with the right settings and detergent, sanitize everything inside them so that they are safe to eat off of. Heck the machines they use to sanitize surgical equipment are essentially fancy dishwashers. But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.
It’s not about killing microbes, it’s about getting rid of pathogens and spores they create. You can’t steam that away. For example, botulinum toxin can withstand up to +85C and botulinum spores can withstand boiling water. No dishwasher will make your stuff safe from botulinum.
Considering you can find traces of human feces on literally every surface inside a human home, I imagine you mainly need stuff like that for surgery, and surgical items are washed in what is, essentially, a dishwasher.
Your toilet brushes probably don’t have anaerobic bacteria spores on them. To be clear, I think this is properly gross, but I also acknowledge that to some degree this is a marginally irrational preference for keeping food and poop separate. In all likelihood, there is no actual risk of disease from this practice.
But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.
I know, right? If nothing else it just feels wrong…
That’s literally how they convinced people to vote against doing it when I lived in L.A. They called it “toilet to tap.” Now L.A. is running out of water and suddenly they’re desperate to do it.
Guess what? Animals piss and shit in municipal water supplies that aren’t recycled. Constantly.
It’s not the same. One, the volume of water in which fish shit/piss is emmensly larger. Two, there are other life forms that recycle that shit and use it to grow.
I don’t know about the dishes but according to my memory of something I read a while ago (can’t look things up right now), the kitchen sink and kitchen brushes aren’t much cleaner than anything in the toilet; and actually, kitchen washcloths/sponges tend to be worse than toilet surfaces.
So, maybe don’t put toilet brushes in the dishwasher but definitely don’t put in kitchen washcloths either. Not sure what this means about us washing dishes by hand with a sponge either. And maybe don’t put in used washcloths along your clothes in the washing machine.
i would assume the big problem with toilet items is that some quite nasty bugs come out of our bungholes, whereas in the kitchen you’ll at worst find salmonella if you don’t practice good hygeiene around raw unvaccinated bird products
I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl.
First, what the fuck is growing on your dishes that you believe is “logically” equivalent to eating human shit? Second, this isn’t a logic problem or a place for opinion. All the work was already done for you, just waiting for you to look it up instead of giving your opinion on bacteria.
Human shit also doesn’t only contain bacteria. There’s an estimated 100 million - 1 billion virus per gram of wet shit inside of us. Fungi are estimated at up to a million microorganisms per gram of wet shit and there’s still around 100 billion bacteria per gram of wet shit. Let’s not forget parasites like cryptosporidium which your body purges in shit.
Meanwhile either giving your dishes a cursory rinse or not allowing them to sit covered in food for days on end would minimize bacterial or fungal growth on your dishes.
This is a reminder for everyone: your opinion on facts that you can’t be bothered to type in a search box are less than worthless. They’re disinformation and in some cases, like telling people that eating shit is no more harmful that licking a plate, can cause harm.
Just say no to opinions on what facts may or may not be. Cite your sources.
I don’t know what “brutal science” is but I do know that the scientific process was used in many peer-reviewed studies to understand what lives in our shit. That holds a lot more weight for me than what an anonymous poster feels might be right in regards to the same subject matter.
Furthermore, the greater concept here is that we as a species have access to actual information by powers of magnitude more then ever before in human history and yet a significant percentage of the population believe that vaccines cause autism because a washed up Playboy bunny repeated what she read from a discredited “doctor” and it caught on like wildfire.
**People in general too often believe what they hear or read without legitimate evidence.**Disinformation exists at best because people unconsciously believe their opinions are just as valid as peer-reviewed research, and at worst to weaponize information for personal gain. Whatever the intent it’s a plague on humanity and I won’t apologize for calling it out when seen. If that’s too “brutal” for you I hope you can get to a place where reading cited information in response to opinion doesn’t disrupt your sensitivities.
I think brutal science is implying that while you’re likely right, you’re also being strangely aggressive and pretty uncharitable to the people you’re replying to. See your three paragraph response to a one liner as an example.
I didn’t say it was the equivalent I said neither are good for you and both could be cleaned and sanitized sufficiently by the right dishwasher, so please don’t put words in my mouth thanks. Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes. We get viruses and parasites growing on regular food that has gone bad too, and both are going to disagree with your stomach and potentially do some harm. Does rinsing your dishes or washing them right away help mitigate or prevent that? Sure. Does everyone do that? Of course not. I never said “eating shit is the exact same as licking a dirty dish” nor did I say anything close to that. I said “both are bad for you and a well made dishwasher is designed to clean things really well and even sanitize them in order to make them safe to eat off of, so it makes sense logically that this could be safe but I still wouldn’t do it anyway”.
Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes.
No they don’t, don’t project onto the world what you think is normal. Everyone I know washes up or puts the dishwasher on straight after they’ve eaten, then puts their dishes away when they’re clean and dried.
Wow. It usually takes my partner and I two or three days to fill it. I should look up the specifics of the model and see if the energy saving option is worth it for small loads
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It wouldn’t be the heat used for drying, it would be the heat used for washing. Assuming that you have a dishwasher with a sanitize cycle/option always use it. they are required to reach a minimum temperature of 150f. typical range in actual products is 165ºF to 180ºF (74ºC to 82ºC)
Ya know, the problem I have with the DSi sound recording app thing (I know this is a 3DS, but I digress) is that I got a new SD card and formatted it to see if I could move recorded files to my laptop. Nope! All files were corrupted and deleted after putting in that card and booting up the app.
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