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Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

US State Dept. Officials Told Not to Use Terms ‘De-Escalation/Cease-Fire’ About Gaza

“This is unconscionable and will leave an indelible stain,” said one critic, who urged “resignations and collective action” to protest the reported policy.

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nautilus, in Civilian deaths are indefensible, whether done by Hamas or Israel | Rajan Menon

The fact that this is only an “opinion” is a fucking travesty

lolcatnip,

Sounds like you don’t know what the word opinion means. Hint: literally any statement based on morality is an opinion.

ParsnipWitch,

That’s an opinion, though. Not a fact. It’s actually just one theory in ethics.

lolcatnip,

The definition of what an opinion is is not an opinion.

ParsnipWitch,

No, but this is an opinion:

literally any statement based on morality is an opinion.

lolcatnip,

No, it’s not. Facts are statements about what is. Statements about what should be—which is what moral statements are—are always opinions.

I can’t fucking believe I’m arguing with people who literally don’t know what the word opinion means. It’s not rocket science.

ParsnipWitch,

Perhaps you should read about more about the different theories surrounding whether morality is always objective “as a fact”.

nautilus,

It’s okay dude, we won’t judge you for liking civilian death

lolcatnip,

Go fuck a cactus. I hate civilian deaths but that doesn’t change what the word opinion means.

FlashMobOfOne, (edited )
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Obama changed the military’s criteria for civilian deaths so he could pretend his numbers were lower.

I don’t know that I’d call it an opinion. Civilian deaths are an eventuality we have no choice but to accept, especially here in the US, where we’re making war in six, seven, or eight countries at once and it’s normal.

Rapidcreek,

Indeed. Every moral person should understand this without being told.

LibertyLizard,

The fact that people don’t understand the differences in style and purpose between fact-based reporting and opinion pieces is a travesty. There is no way this can be anything other than an opinion piece because of its topic and tone. Whether you agree or disagree or find its position to be self-evident is irrelevant. It simply does not meet the standards of traditional fact-based reporting. Which people today don’t seem to understand the value of.

DarkThoughts,

The travesty is how many people are unable to say this out loud. Everyone is stuck in their black & white tribalism, making them blind for their own sides atrocities.
You can be pro Palestine and still condemn Hamas. You can be critical of the Israeli government and still grief for all the innocent Hamas victims. It's not actually that hard to be a decent human being.

fosforus,

I can be pro-palestinian people and still think that after several decades of not being able to suppress the violent factions inside their nation, they should completely bail off from that general area.

sanzky,

would you say that to people in every single colonialist country? e.g. the US?

fosforus,

USA seemed to rather successfully suppress the violent factions inside their nation, several times.

sanzky,

their nation was literally built on top of violence.

Kepabar,

All nations are built and maintained by violence, either directly or by threat of it.

It’s a core component of sovereignty. To be able to call your government sovereign you must have the capacity to resist both external and internal actors from being able to overthrow you.

You must also be willing and able to use violence against those under your rule who disobey your laws (i.e, arresting a murderer).

fosforus,

That’s probably the norm. Finland, the posterboy of peace, started its independence with a civil war and continued by joining the Nazis in WW2 against Soviet Union.

Seems to me that there are two kinds of nations on this planet: dead ones and those that were at some point based on violence.

DeForrest_McCoy,

Strong Agree ! You took the words right out of my mouth.

wildginger,

So frustrating that this is a point that needs arguing in the modern day.

Pratai,

I got downvoted for arguing with a douche that was actively taking sides in a debate over which side kills more children.

This is where we are now.

hassanmckusick,

I mean it’s not a debate, Israel by 36x.

(2008-2020 because those are the numbers I was able to find: www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)

nautilus, (edited )

uhhhHHHH nuh-uh dude, you have to pick ONE OR THE OTHER

bermuda,

The travesty is how many people are unable to say this out loud. Everyone is stuck in their black & white tribalism, making them blind for their own sides atrocities.

Personally I don’t want to say it out loud because I’m just so mentally exhausted from the screaming. I know (like know, not just feel) that if I say this out loud in a more public space then somebody is gonna scream at me over it. And I just don’t want that anymore. I feel in this instance it’s better to just keep silent because I just hate it when people get so uppity at me over this kind of thing.

sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
cupcakezealot, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza
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i don’t understand how attacking ambulances and hospitals in gaza achieves anything for israel

dangblingus,

It gets the brown people out of Israel.

ndsvw, in US says North Korea delivered 1,000 containers of equipment and munitions to Russia for Ukraine war
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According to a German “war economist”, this is NOTHING compared with what Russia needs and just propaganda for the West.

Hirom, in US says North Korea delivered 1,000 containers of equipment and munitions to Russia for Ukraine war

What did they get in return?

sik0fewl,

I think they produce as much munitions as anyone else, might as well export them and get paid - and maybe make some friends.

Send_me_nude_girls, in Study Warns of Age-Related Risks in Workplace Cybersecurity

That’s an interesting find.

StereoTypo,
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Yeah, it really goes against my anecdotal experience of clueless Boomers/Gen Z and generally reasonable Gen X/Millenials. That said my colleagues are technically proficient but our salespeople are consistently falling for scams, regardless of their generation.

sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Video of a Hamas rocket launch and subsequent IDF strike

Many videos out of the Gaza strip have the constant hum of surveillance drones in the background, it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

Seathru,

it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

The Russia/Ukraine conflict has really shown the drone’s place on the battlefield. It’s awesome; and terrifying.

alyaza, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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Seathru,

What a convenient find.

dark_stang, in Israel’s startup ecosystem: Down but not out | TechCrunch
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“There’s a new war going on, is this affecting my investments?!” - some capitalists I assume.

dark_stang, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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US State Dept. Officials Told Not to Use Terms ‘De-Escalation/Cease-Fire’ About Gaza - just… big sigh.

According to HuffPost, which reviewed official emails, “State Department staff wrote that high-level officials do not want press materials to include three specific phrases: ‘de-escalation/cease-fire,’ ‘end to violence/bloodshed,’ and ‘restoring calm.’”

ericjmorey, in Telegram CEO says app will continue to host 'war-related content' after coming under fire for Hamas videos | TechCrunch

In his Telegram post today, Durov — borrowing some of the more “high-level” language that other social media executives have used — said that “Telegram’s moderators and AI tools remove millions of obviously harmful content from our public platform,” but he also swiftly moved on to defending the app continuing to allow sensitive content under the category of “war-related coverage.”

“Tackling war-related coverage is seldom obvious.” (He does not define what the line is between “obviously harmful” and “war-related coverage.”)

“While it would be easy for us to destroy this source of information, doing so risks exacerbating an already dire situation,” he continued, citing how, he said, Hamas used Telegram to warn civilians in Ashkelon to leave the area ahead of missile strikes. “Would shutting down their channel help save lives — or would it endanger more lives?” he asked in his post today.

SenorBolsa,
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Yeah I feel that. Not an easy decision to make.

ParanoidFactoid, (edited ) in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza
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  • Hirom,

    Do you happen to have any source for these reports?

    Latework,

    There is no source because they made it up. The closest thing I could find is this news.yahoo.com/wagner-mercenaries-involved-traini…Which states wagner group may have trained Hamas fighters according to this report …gov.ua/instruktory-pvk-vagner-gotuvaly-hamas-do-…

    SenorBolsa,
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    It’s an interesting theory. Big if true. It just seems far too risky when you know most of the western world still supports Israel.

    Though if you can pull it off, wow, and they could probably have predicted that it would cause a lot of internal division among Americans which only benefits Russia.

    speaker_hat, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

    Document of Hamas that ordered the murder of civilians and their kidnapping:

    https://lemmy.one/pictrs/image/45cb1854-aac4-4606-9b35-b696ba979eaf.jpeg

    Source: Hebrew, English (auto-translated)

    It can’t be fake because they literally did it (babies, children, women and elderlies)

    hassanmckusick,

    https://lemmy.discothe.quest/pictrs/image/f23de24b-39b9-4e05-95e5-4b6455d41eb5.png

    It can’t be fake because I literally did it (tall man, hat, theater)

    t3rmit3,

    Good thing no one I’ve seen is arguing that Hamas is good.

    And also a good thing that Palestinians != Hamas.

    hassanmckusick,

    I have heard rumblings of people who believe that Hamas did not even attack and this was a false flag.

    Prob propaganda but it def makes you think. I mean Israel did know about the attack ahead of time supposedly. How did Hamas get through the iron dome? Did anyone see where they went after? How did that girl get from the back of a Hamas truck to a hospital? Why haven’t I seen many photos videos from the ground?

    This bad faith “evidence” just fuels the conspiracy.

    t3rmit3,

    No one is seriously questioning the authenticity of this attack, though I would not be surprised if Bibi knew of it (since, you know, they were literally told about it beforehand) and allowed it to happen to both avoid his legal troubles and to give his ultranationalist party and military a pretense for driving out or killing Palestinians.

    Pearl Harbor and 9/11 weren’t fake either, and both were used to excuse atrocities too.

    hassanmckusick,

    I just wanna chime in and say I don’t believe it either.

    I bring it up because it’s the only reason that I could think of that someone is out here posting “proof” of the orders.

    At some point I’m sure we’ll see a blurred video of murder and then someone pointing at the people on the screen and being like “we know that guy, that’s Hamas s Samah, he lives at 123 Westy B. He is a Hamas and this is him murdering. Here’s the body of the victim later at the morgue.”

    Thats the kind of evidence I “want” (I don’t want a video of murder but like, identifying people in the video and find out who they are and like… hard evidence)

    But the “evidence” I was responding to is something I could forge from half a world away

    HotChocoBum,

    It can’t be fake because they literally did it (babies, children, women and elderlies)

    This is literally a circular argument.

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