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someguy3, in Don’t fall into the trap of ‘picking sides’ over Gaza: Hamas’s attacks were unconscionable, razing Gaza to the ground would be abhorrent. In both cases, basic humanity is at stake --- [Opinion]

Yeah pretty much.

Caligvla, in Bolivia severs ties with Israel, others recall envoys over Gaza
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The way Israel has been politically crippling itself the last couple of weeks is crazy. Whatever the outcome of this war, they already lost a lot of face with many nations world over, I wonder how this will affect them going forward.

bedrooms,

Maybe we'll even call it a western variant of North Korea in the end. All autocrats head to NK apparently.

tsonfeir,
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They’re all assholes in this holy war.

Pat_Riot, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible
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If he pulls out some old testament shit he’s good to go. The Israelites were told to destroy Jericho completely in the story I remember. Just change the name to Gaza and it works out great for him.

JakeBacon,

Funnily enough (not funny actually, considering the war crimes and all), the Old Testament says that the Jews/Isrealites will never get rid of other people living in the area due to not driving them out in their original conquest.

Pat_Riot,
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I do love a good irony. Only atheists actually read religious texts though.

solanaceous,

I was having a weird one today so I read through the book of Amos. It’s shockingly similar to the current situation.

Amos prophesied that Gaza would be destroyed, even genocided, as a reaction to crimes that included kidnapping entire communities. But that’s just an intro to a prophecy that Israel would be violently and mercilessly destroyed in response to a long list of their own crimes.

I’m not saying that Amos predicted the current situation, just that it’s sad how little we’ve improved in 2500 years.

MaxHardwood,

Prophecies require explicit parameters. Anything else is ad-hoc and you can fit nearly anything to be a prophecy after the fact.

MagicShel, in Former NSA employee pleads guilty to attempted selling classified documents to Russia

Bad timing. Yo can’t sell the piddly little shit when Russia already bought the Maralago motherhood.

sndmn, in Almost half of Russians say salary does not cover basic spending - survey

Sad trombone noises…

ThemboMcBembo,
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Have some empathy. These aren’t oligarchs plotting a foreign war, these are everyday people (half the country!) being forced into poverty.

ribboo,

It is however people that in very high degree support their president.

java,

How does this support manifest? I’m asking, because there are no real signs. Russian army is struggling to find soldiers and Putin is afraid to start another wave of mass-mobilization.

If somebody echoes propaganda, it doesn’t mean that they support anything. There are no actions confirming this support.

There are many more nuances. I suggest reading at least one book on yhe topic of political science and listening to some lectures before coming to conclusions on such a complex matters.

Destraight,

And? The Russians are the bad guys invading Ukraine. Did you forget that?

explodicle,

The invaders are Russian but most Russians have no real control over their government. It’s easy to suggest “then revolt” when that’s not you.

nicetriangle,
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I have a hard time squaring that sentiment with information like this:

https://www.statista.com/chart/28436/support-for-war-in-ukraine-russians/

RogueBanana,

The link you attached already mentions that isnt accurate. Not everyone living in Russia will publicly annouce they are against their government even if they are.

aniki,

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  • RogueBanana,

    I don’t and there are many records of Germans who helped Jews and acted against Hitler so why blame everyone. Hate the actual Nazis not the commoners who had no choice.

    aniki,

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  • RogueBanana,

    Me neither but can you say the same about others in this thread or the comment we are replying to? They seem to actually wish harm to all Russians.

    aniki,

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  • RogueBanana,

    Mate you’re the one making assumptions here as I even said seem to despite people literally saying its hard to sympathize with Russians. Either way this is going in a completely unrelated direction and pointless to argue more.

    java,

    Define “we”. I don’t know anyone doing that, bar impulsive people on social media.

    Spuddaccino,

    For real. Just because Putin is a Bond villain doesn’t make every citizen of Russia one of his goons.

    petrescatraian, in The US supports Israel because of 'Jewish wealth', claims BBC presenter

    @sarsaparilyptus That still doesn't beat the owner of the most popular footbal club here's take:

    FCSB owner Gigi Becali has commented in characteristic style on the conflict situation in Israel, which has declared a state of war after rocket attacks by the Palestinian Hamas movement. "The events in Israel... Excluding the fact that people are dying and it's not good, any war is to our advantage. And in football, and economically. They won't be in the mood for football," said Gigi Becali, referring to the fact that Romania is in a group with Israel in the Euro 2024 preliminaries. "And economically, there are 500,000 Jews who will come to Romania. They are afraid. They have money, they have that... They'll buy houses," Becali added. "But it won't last long. The Jews rule the world and you start attacking them? You attack their children over there? They leave them and they'll be wiped out in five months. The Gaza Strip will be dust! That's how I see it. They'll wipe them out. They've got billions. They rule the world! How do you deal with them? It's like me fighting Manchester City," added the FCSB owner.
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    Source

    MetalJewSolid,

    And here i am, struggling with rent.

    dark_stang, in Konrad Wolf Prize 2023 goes to Julian Assange for his work and disclosure of "illegal state actions, injustices, murders and war crimes"
    @dark_stang@beehaw.org avatar

    Asange plays favorites and has an agenda. I want him to expose all the shady activities, not just the stuff he thinks will help Trump win an election.

    0x815,

    Assange hasn’t been playing anything for years as he is imprisoned in the UK fighting his extradition to the U.S. while in other parts of the world he is being awarded -once again- for his journalistic work. He may or may not have an agenda, but the issue here is something else.

    Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

    Noura Erakat: Western Leaders & Media Are Justifying Israel’s “Genocidal Campaign” Against Palestinians

    The unfolding crisis in Gaza, where relentless Israeli bombardment has killed more than 1,500 people since Saturday, is “a humanitarian catastrophe,” says Palestinian American human rights attorney Noura Erakat. She says Western leaders and the mainstream media have relied on racist, Islamophobic tropes to build a false consensus “that war is inevitable and that whatever consequences come out is the fault of Hamas, thereby further blaming the victims for their own killing and massacres.” Erakat also decries the Israeli order that 1.1 million residents in Gaza relocate under threat of a ground invasion. “What we are seeing is a genocidal campaign. You cannot forcibly transfer 1.1 million Palestinians in a 225-square-mile enclosed area. There is nowhere for them to go,” says Erakat, an associate professor at Rutgers University and author of Justice for Some: Law and the Question of Palestine.

    bbbhltz, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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    Maps and Misinformation

    Sorry, not news or updates, but also not worth creating a thread.

    I’ve been seeing lots of maps on Lemmy (mostly in French-speaking communities communities). A number of them look like this:

    standard conflict mapshttps://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/df26b2c6-bf6c-4ce1-8216-75e6092a1f8f.webp

    And then I’ve seen others that look like this (usually labelled as “fact” or “reality”):

    alternative versionshttps://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/089e4f5d-5664-443d-be90-743ff3fa454f.webp

    With the exception of an amazing 3-day event that took place in my school (we had some history professors/researchers come in over 3 days and present us arguments from both sides, then moderate a debate…) I received no education about this, and even if I had it would have been about 20 years ago or more.

    I suspect we have all seen a version of this map before. I can read the Wikipedia, and watch the documentaries, but where should I look to be able to come to a decision on my own regarding these maps? Meaning, is one of them more factual than the other?

    jarfil, (edited )

    All those maps seem to show the same things, in slightly different ways. Basically, “statistics massaging” done with maps.

    The “Fact” one seems to have the most information, as in:

    • Since 1917, the British had control ver the “Mandate of Palestine”, which was neither Israel nor Palestine.
    • Both Jews and Arabs started buying land and settling there, hoping to become the majority population in case a referendum was held when the British retired.
    • Since 1941, the Jewish ideated a plan on how to win a possible referendum by getting One Million of their own in there, presenting it in 1944 as a solution for Holocause refugees, but then realizing that it wouldn’t be enough, that they’d still be missing people and they’d need “Arab refugees”, as in Jews fleeing persecution from Arab countries.
    • In 1947, after WWII, the UN proposed a plan to split the land, which the Arab countries rejected.
    • In 1948 the British planned to GTFO… and just the day before, Israel was formed and declared that the whole land would be theirs.
    • The moment the British left, all the Arab countries attacked Israel which they saw as illegitimate… and with the idea of genociding everyone.
    • However, Israel won that war, and let any Arabs choose whether to stay or GTFO. About 150,000 decided to accept Israeli citizenship, about 700,000 got pushed into Jordan/Palestine.
    • As predicted, a lot of Jews fled Arab countries fearing persecution, which propped up the numbers of Israeli citizens, and further increased the hatred in Arab countries.
    • In 1967, Israel got attacked again, and won again, letting it lay claim to the area previously known as Jordan/Palestine.
    • But people in that area, were mostly Arabs, which didn’t sit well with Israel, who started a colonization process, mainly to cut off the “Palestine enclave” from Jordan… and to intersperse some Jewish population inside, lest the area decoded to hold a referendum and the Arab side win.
    • People in the Gaza area were Arab/Palestinian, and it has open access to the sea, so instead Israel tried to contain those people by walling them off, and telling Egypt to take them… which Egypt doesn’t really want to (we’re in the middle of a worldwide migration crysis, nobody wants millions of immigrants).
    • In 1995, after a lot dirty tactics from bother sides, a Palestinian governance was established… but by then the ex-Jordan area was already decimated by Israeli colonists.

    Misinformation:

    • The “disappearing Palestine” map, starts by claiming all the territory was Palestine, which is false, it was a “Mandatory Palestine” under British control. If you compare it with the first “Fact” map, you’ll notice it claims all the white area as Arab owned, which is false.
    • The UN plan seems to be correct on all the maps, little to manipulate there since it failed anyway.
    • The 1948/1949 maps match what Israel claimed after preemptively declaring itself as a state, getting attacked, and winning.
    • The 1967 maps also show how Israel got control over the whole area, and progressively has been eating away at any possible Arab/Palestinian claim.
    • The 1995 and “NOW” maps show why Israel conceded a Palestinian governance: mainly over territories where people identifying as Palestinians are no longer a majority.

    Personally, I’d say the “Fact” one along the AlJazeera one, paint the most complete picture.

    For sources, check Wikipedia for:

    Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

    Egypt refuses foreigners passage from Gaza except as part of aid agreement

    Ahram Online , Saturday 14 Oct 2023

    Egyptian authorities have refused the passage of foreign residents of Gaza through the Rafah crossing, except as part of a foreign aid delivery agreement, Al-Qahera News TV reported, citing informed sources.

    zerfuffle,

    Not surprising, Egypt cannot handle 2 million refugees and once the Palestinians leave, there’s no way Israel is letting them back.

    ram, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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    ndsvw, in US says North Korea delivered 1,000 containers of equipment and munitions to Russia for Ukraine war
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    According to a German “war economist”, this is NOTHING compared with what Russia needs and just propaganda for the West.

    sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

    Video of a Hamas rocket launch and subsequent IDF strike

    Many videos out of the Gaza strip have the constant hum of surveillance drones in the background, it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

    Seathru,

    it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

    The Russia/Ukraine conflict has really shown the drone’s place on the battlefield. It’s awesome; and terrifying.

    remer, in ‘We lie on the floor till someone buys us’: shocking allegations of UAE agencies’ abuse of domestic workers
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    I worked in the UAE for a while. It was so obvious that there is effectively a slave class. The Emiratis think they’re gods and look down on everyone else a disposable and subhuman. That entire region is fucked but the West turns a blind eye because of money. FIFA, FIA, etc.

    zazaserty, in Council of Europe votes to recognize Holodomor as genocide
    @zazaserty@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    It was one, so great. But we have more important things to vote or take care of. Holodomor was a genocide and took the lives of many in awful suffering. But we can’t do anything now. We gotta save those who are still alive.

    emberwit,

    An important step to do that is to learn from the past and call out what was right and what was wrong.

    superflippy,

    I agree. This recognition sends a signal to would-be genocidal regimes in Europe that they’re not going to get away with things like they might have in the past.

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