Chainweasel, (edited )

If they’re saying “own” on their advertisements then they should be required to refund you when they eventually have to take it away. I’m pretty sure “ownership” has a legal definition and it’s probably not too ambiguous.
It should at least be considered false advertising if they can’t guarantee access permanently.

Imgonnatrythis,

Oh, whoops. I read it as them explicitly telling me to pirate it. Yeah of course they aren’t going to let you actually own it. That doesn’t come close to making sense.

cyberpunk007,

“rent a license for 15 years”

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s the best part

They redefine “own” and “buy” in their TOS

And so do many many other online retailers that sell digital goods

NOOBMASTER,

ok that makes me sick

takeda,

I wonder if that would hold in court. They could simply use “rent” or “lease” in their ads, but they purposely are trying to mislead to imply permanence.

Mirodir,

Or “watch”. That way they don’t have to make it obvious that their customers won’t own it but still don’t straight up lie.

Anticorp,

Anything holds in court when you have more money than several small nations combined.

blanketswithsmallpox,

Then it’s not binding and they’re just waiting for the class action. Which will win, but they’ll still be richer in the end.

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

They actually never mention the idea of you owning content in their tos www.primevideo.com/help?nodeId=202095490&view-typ…

It’s “purchased digital content”

(iii) purchase Digital Content for on-demand viewing over an indefinite period of time (“Purchased Digital Content”)

Auli,

Which is exactly like physical media. You never owned it you bought a license to view it on that particular disk. But it also had limitations put on it.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

If license ownership rights with digital custodians were as good as they are with discs, there would be no conversation happening right now. The difference now is that custodians will occasionally snap a finger and disappear your stuff, and you have no recourse.

anonymouse, (edited )

It’s not “exactly like” physical media. The license portion is a similar concept. But the difference is that the variables that determine whether I can keep watching the content whenever I want, in perpetuity, lie solely with me as the person who physically possesses the media. The corporation from which I purchased the license can’t unilaterally decide to revoke my access to the content.

krimson,
@krimson@feddit.nl avatar

Did you click on it? Maybe it links to a torrent :D

HawlSera,

I used to buy movies on Amazon, assuming it worked like Steam does, where if Steam loses the license to sell it, you still have the ability to play it even if Steam isn’t allowed to sell it.

Hell I still have access to the stuff I got back when Steam still sold movies (I honestly miss Steam movies…)

When people started telling me their copies of things they owned were no longer usable once Amazon stopped selling it, I stopped buying.

IF BUYING ISN’T OWNING PIRACY ISN’T STEALING!

hperrin,

I had an Oculus account. I bought games for Oculus. Facebook forced me to link my Facebook account to it. Facebook removed Oculus accounts so it was all under Facebook accounts. Facebook deleted my account. I no longer owned the games I bought. I deleted the Facebook app.

HawlSera,

I thought the facebook account requirement was removed

hperrin,

It may have been, but I wouldn’t know. I’m never going back on that platform again. They stole a couple hundred dollars worth of games from me.

dRLY,
@dRLY@lemmy.ml avatar

I haven’t ran into a situation where any of the digital copies of things I bought have been pulled. So I can’t speak to what happened with your friends. But I will say that if you have any purchased digital copies of movies, you should at least setup Movies Anywhere and link all accounts you have. It isn’t like how Steam will still allow you to download a pulled game. But it does give you copies of things on multiple sources once linked. So if you got something on Amazon, it would also be linked as “purchased” on other services like Vudu, YouTube/Play Movies, Apple, etc… It won’t apply to everything you have got but would likely cover most big name items.

It used to be marked with the old “Ultraviolet” branding, but when that was shutdown the basic underlying service was transferred to Movies Anywhere. Most of the time you can see which things would count because they have the MA logo. Not great for smaller releases and most shows won’t be part of it (atm at least). Though some shows might also show up, as I have seen things from HBO and some other ones.

All that being said. You are very much correct about “buying isn’t owning” these days. And even when there is something like MA, there are still thousands of movies and shows that will only ever get a digital “release” from torrents/P2P. Sad that some cool shit will never get a real HD re-master for Blu-ray (let alone streaming). I very much feel that studios should have at best a 10 year window to make whatever sales before the masters should be copied to public archives. If the studios won’t do it, then there are more than plenty of people out there that would do the job for the love of keeping old media preserved and accessible. Also bullshit when I try to go the “legal” route and find a show on one service in HD but only in SD on others. It is pretty infuriating to see that in some cases I can only get like season 2 of something on say Vudu for example, but season 1 is seemingly exclusive to Amazon. And one is in HD and the other is only SD.

danekrae, (edited )

Nobody with enough money has sued… Yet…

takeda,

That sounds more like what class action lawsuit is supposed to be for.

Imgonnatrythis,

Damn straight. I want my $7.50!

takeda,

Those are more to punish companies and change their behavior, which I think is what was desired here.

Of course they are a gold mine if you are a lawyer.

grue, (edited )

This sort of blatant violation of the First Sale Doctrine shouldn’t even require a lawsuit to stop; the FTC should prosecute companies for it proactively. We need to demand our government start doing its goddamn job again.

BlueSnail,

Ross Scott of Accursed Farms is planning a lawsuit for something similar www.pcgamesn.com/…/servers-shutdown-lawsuit

brbposting,

“I’m getting a lot of multi-page emails about possible legal proceedings and dozens of people claiming they have receipts,” Ross says. “I do want to emphasize that if I don’t get the help I need, then there will be no fundraiser, there will be no lawsuit, and this practice will continue unchallenged, at least in the US.”

Ross needs your help, lawyers!

centof,

Because they control the FTC and any other regulatory agencies. It’s called regulatory capture. The only other way they can be held accountable is through the pay to play court system which is biased towards them because they can drag it out until the other party gives up.

BearOfaTime,

This is the answer.

All fed regulatory agencies are captured at this point.

neidu2, (edited )

It should be noted that Amazon was among the first to prove that buying isn’t owning a few years ago when a book that many people had legally bought was automatically scrubbed feom devices. The title had been removed from the catalog, and any kindle which held it automatically removed it without the users concent, and they were given amazon store credit in return.

RealFknNito, (edited )
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

I just do the morally correct thing. Buy it, then pirate it so I really do own it forever. Inconvenient from a data storage perspective but the only simple solution I have on hand.

DevilOfDoom,

Or don’t buy it, then pirate it.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on what it is. I’ll freeboot full priced games by well known companies that I don’t want to support but smaller games from studios trying their heart out? I’m a sucker for chucking money at them.

Album,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

Or don’t buy it and don’t pirate it either. Fuck em. This shit isn’t even worth pirating.

selokichtli,

Wouldn’t call that piracy.

Facebones,

100%. That’s a backup.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t agree that it is ‘morally correct’ to pay $20 for a shitty movie that cost over $100 million to make when that money could have gone to fund 5 much smaller, much better movies just so the studio could shovel money into their Scrooge McDuck moneybin with yet another multimedia tie-in.

Zibitee,

Mmm… Sure. I think it’s morally correct for yourself. But the copyright people? They’ll argue all day that you shouldn’t be allowed to pirate it even after ownership. You need to buy the same movie on, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, purple-ray, AND omni-ray when it comes out. After all, there’s money to be made.

7u5k3n,

Won’t someone think of the shareholders!

ToxicWaste,

I don’t know about the laws where you live. But here it is legal to make ‘security copies’ of any medium you bought. If you have to crack some kind of protection, that is an inconvenience.

You are just not allowed to distribute any copies without the proper license.

lapommedeterre,

Sometimes I do what I call “time travelling” where I pirate first with the intention to buy later when it’s cheaper.

RealFknNito, (edited )
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

I do that too but I call it a “forced demo”

Chakravanti, (edited )

It’s amazon. They pay actors and writers pennies and funding Amazon is itself completely immoral by any means. Even after the “fix” of the recent agreement.

Don’t get me wrong. I do it because Prime has shit I can’t get elsewhere. So I have to on some levels. But I don’t unless I have to to get what I need to do what I do.

Doesn’t matter. We’re all gonna die in that decade we’re now well into my original prediction of. Baking the planet, inventing viruses bro-/tech-/etc.-, Closed Source AI, etc. etc.

2030: We’re all gonna die.

leaky_shower_thought,

When you click “buy” or “purchase” on a video on Amazon Prime, you’re not actually coming into ownership of that movie of TV show. Instead, you’re merely paying for a limited license for “on-demand viewing over an indefinite period of time", as warned in the very small print on the company’s website.

GamesRadar

they can get away apparently because of this very small print.

yarr-har-fiddle-dee-dee/ if you love to sail the seeries of tubes

boatsnhos931,

Are people really out here buying a media that can only be viewed through an app? If it’s not a file that can be downloaded and viewed elsewhere then I’m definitely not going for it… Who am I kidding? The seas have always been the life for me landlubbers!!

LemmyKnowsBest,
cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

this is why i still buy cds and dvds

Inky,

I definitely do not value having lifetime access to 99.999% of the media I consume enough to have to deal with hoarding physical copies.

theedqueen,

Yep. I still like owning Blu-ray’s for this reason. When I tell people I have a Blu-ray collection they make fun of me.

QuazarOmega,

Clearly they don’t own a nuclear bunker

HawlSera,

Head by the dollar store sometime, Blu-Rays on crazy discount these days.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

1080p video streams are also much more compressed than BD. I can’t always tell, but when I can it’s because there are distracting artifacts on the stream.

can,

Do they at least come with cool bonus features?

UncleGrandPa,

“I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further”

Anticorp,

“Own it now!”

No thanks!

Duamerthrax,

Not even worth pirating.

brax,

Probably intentional so they can change the definition of “own”

_sideffect,

“Feel like you own it NOW”

thanks_shakey_snake,

“…for NOW”

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