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HumanPerson, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

Ask to watch them pee. When they say no, ask what they do when they pee that they don’t want you to know about; that is the only reason they could want privacy, right?

VerseAndVermin,

Ask to watch them pee.

You went weird real quick.

WhatAmLemmy,

Ask them to install a camera in their bathroom, and every room of their house.

After all, if they’ve got nothing to hide, they’ve got nothing to fear!

ritchie,
@ritchie@lemmy.world avatar

I always ask if they have a curtain. Why have one, when you have nothing to hide? It blocks the view, sunlight…

Tar_alcaran,

That’s a weird question. My curtains make sure I don’t wake up at 5.30am in the summer.

itsprobablyfine, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

Well if you live in a democracy you should. It’s not about your data alone, its everyone else’s. It’s social media company XYZ determining how each individual is going to vote, then, on election day sending all people on one side get out and vote messages, and sending people on the other side a tsunami of unrelated bs to make sure they don’t know about the election. Or push a bunch of fakenews to make them feel both sides are the same and why even vote?

Do this in a couple key areas and you only need to hit a few tens of thousands of people to turn a presidential race.

We know it can be done because it already has been. If you live in a democracy you should care a good deal about privacy, even if you somehow have nothing to hide

PupBiru,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

a healthy democracy requires others to have privacy. people like investigative journalists need to be able to blend in with the crowd and expose government wrongdoing

blending in the the crowd is the important part: if everyone cares about privacy, nobody sticks out for caring about privacy… but if nobody cares about privacy, the investigative journalist suddenly looks really obvious and can be targeted much more easily

if someone doesn’t think they have anything to hide, that’s fine (wrong, but fine) however they can help to make sure the government acts appropriately simply by not splashing data around everywhere for all to see

cheese_greater, (edited ) in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

Ok Mr. Trump, good deal. Yeh talked me into it

AlecSadler, in Google will no longer hold onto people's location data in Google Maps — meaning it can't turn that info over to the police

Personally, I use GPSLogger from FDroid on a 15 minute ping interval and then load the files into Location Map Viewer (also FDroid) for my own location tracking. Disabled Google awhile ago.

I back the files up to a home NAS.

Cannacheques,

That’s actually a good idea, I might try it

winkerjadams,

Just curious, why do you feel the need to track your own movements?

Cannacheques,

If you have ever lost something and had to retrace your steps it helps but I guess it’s not super important or relatable for most people

winkerjadams,

Ah, makes sense, that’s a use case I hadn’t thought of.

phobiac,
@phobiac@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve used my location history to remember names of places I went to over a year ago, addresses I was given and expected to write down but forgot, confirm for myself I actually went and did something that I couldn’t recall fully…

It’s great for someone with a shite memory.

worldsayshi, (edited )

It’s nice to have a sort of diary sometimes. My only practical application has been to sometimes check which times I arrive to and leave from work when I need to report my hours.

AlecSadler,

Looks like most of the existing replies captured my same use cases!

There have also been a couple of times where my wife and I disagreed about what we did on X day and it’s kind of nice to see who is right 😂

I think I also just like the raw data. I also keep spreadsheets of my utility bills over time, for example, because it’s weirdly fun to look back and see or compare.

One thing I’d really love is a self-hosted all-day heart rate tracker, but have yet to stumble on such a thing.

tgxn,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

Have you heard of OwnTracks? It’s a self hosted google timeline alternative.

AlecSadler,

I hadn’t! I’ll check it out.

Immersive_Matthew,

With that measure in place, what likelihood do you think Google still knows your location?

Vent,

100%

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

4G masts can triangulate your location quite well based on signal strength and which post you’re currently connected to so unless people are planning on removing their sim the government will always have decently accurate localization.

csm10495,
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I would imagine without the sim, they could still get the location considering emergency calling would work.

Probably would use the IMEI at that point.

root, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

I would offer a suggestion “it’s not that I have nothing to hide; it’s that i have nothing i want you or anyone else to see”.

Both may sound similar but in reality quite diffierent.

cheese_greater,

Nunya business. You didn’t pay or labor to collect it nor do you pay maintenance costs. Nacho dime/time, nacho business

Synthead, (edited ) in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

Saying you don’t need privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same as saying you don’t need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say

cheese_greater,

How is Snowden so damn eloquent? He puts everything and anything I ever left here to shame

TheFriar, (edited )

Because dude was a genius prodigy. Smart people talk the best words.

cheese_greater,

He definitely, genuinely has the best words

scarilog,

His book was a super great read.

cheese_greater, (edited )

I need to listen to it someday. Im kinda scared to take that pilly-of-a-reality-pill

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

What’s the title?

scarilog,

Permanent Record

mjhelto,

“Snowed In”

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Cute title. I’ll see if I can find it. Thanks!

scarilog,

It’s called Permanent Record haha this dude is trolling you

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Lol you gotta admit, though. That would have been an awesome title.

parpol, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

Tell them that they don’t deserve free speech either because obviously nothing of quality comes out of their mouth.

Extrasvhx9he, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

I usually ask them for their phone

originalfrozenbanana, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

That’s a choice they can make for themselves, not a choice tech companies and governments should make for everyone. If they want to trade their privacy, and I don’t - fine. All I want is the power to choose and know that choice will be respected.

cheese_greater,

I love the selfish/enmeshed subtle agenda to that. I will decide and since I believe I’m covered, I required everyone to be compelled into the same dragnet I bless with my consensual presence. We may all be fish but there’s oxygen in heaven/the sky

LWD, (edited )

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  • originalfrozenbanana,

    If they’re not arguing in good faith my advice is don’t argue. Don’t roll around with pigs - you just get covered in shit and the pigs like it.

    Pons_Aelius, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

    Some variation of the below:

    Can I have your phone with the messaging apps unlocked?

    Can I log into your personal email?

    Can I see your tax returns?

    Can I set up cameras and microphones in your house?

    Can I place a GPS tracker on your car?

    otter,

    It also works with opening up the info to anyone, not just you. That’s one of the key issues, even if a trusted party is accessing the info there’s a chance that a malicious party can get access too. Or the trusted party becomes malicious later (government changes, company changes hands, etc.)

    People generally don’t want everything in their home live streamed 24/7. If anything it has the potential for abuse, like if someone knows when you’ll be out of home for a few hours

    AI_toothbrush,

    Insurance companies in some countries give you a discount if you agree to put a tracker on your car…

    anguo,

    Or use their app on your phone, which will “detect your driving patterns” and adjust your rates accordingly.

    But honestly, even without all that, modern cars already have trackers and Internet connections even without your knowledge. (Mine did a couple of impromptu OTA updates for the media center at the beginning. It also has an SOS button on the roof, which you need to be subscribed to use, but can activate the subscription through the button. This implies there is a GPS tracker, as well as a cellular connection).

    magikmw, in Google will no longer hold onto people's location data in Google Maps — meaning it can't turn that info over to the police

    Rare W for google if true. Will lool for sources.

    navi, in I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care

    Medical privacy is a great example.

    Consider a situation like Texas right now where abortion went from a normal, legal thing to something that you can be fined and jailed for.

    Would such a person be OK with the state having access to their medical records so they could jail or fine them?

    People need to understand that much of privacy precautions are “layers” of security against “what if” scenarios that can sometimes be very real.

    possiblylinux127, in Does it even make sense to care about privacy?

    Don’t lose sleep over privacy. Just set goals and try to meet them.

    MigratingtoLemmy, (edited ) in Does it even make sense to care about privacy?
    1. Use DoT
    2. Use Librewolf
    3. TOR has been compromised, use it sparingly.

    Understand the fight. We have three major pipelines for leakage of inferences/data on the internet:

    1. IP
    2. Metadata
    3. Content we produce
    finestnothing,

    How has tor been compromised? I know windows defender was throwing a false-positive for a trojan after an update back in September but that’s all I’ve heard

    MigratingtoLemmy,

    The NSA has always had multiple 0-days for TOR, but that’s beside the point. The current rumour is that the NSA controls more than half of the traffic on the TOR network, courtesy of them owning a massive number of high-performance nodes.

    I’m going to read more on how i2p works, but if I see more NSA involvement I’m bucking out of that too

    sqgl, in Google will no longer hold onto people's location data in Google Maps — meaning it can't turn that info over to the police

    Will the old data be removed from the Google servers?

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