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SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

radical zionist terror organization

Because they aren’t that.

There is no country on the planet that would not respond military to a thousand civilians being murdered via state-sponsored terrorism.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

I very strongly support this idea.

Use the PPV money to pay for investment in Gaza.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

Abbas moving toward the 2 state solution was what led to the Hamas takeover, and violent skirmishes between the PA and Hamas. Specifically their issues were the more secular state the PA favors and that they don’t believe Israel should exist

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

Yeah definitely. But, they’re a charitable organization focused solely on that and not on political outcomes so I give them some leeway. It’s not like they hide their intent.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

A 2 state solution was offered multiple times and was denied because Palestinian leadership had a hard line of Israel not existing.

When a 2 state solution became politically viable in Palestinian territory, Hamas seized power and refused further elections

Just because I don’t know if you want clarity on the whole thing, Palestine as never been a country. It was part of Jordan and Egypt before being lost in the 6 Day War, and part of a chain of empires before that. There was no unified Palestinian identity prior to 1967.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

Hamas is the government in Gaza because they seized power and do not allow elections.

Calling them a radical terrorist organization is both accurate and removes the citizens of Gaza from responsibility for the actions of Hamas.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

radical islamic terror organisation Hamas

This is an accurate, unbiased description of Hamas. They are exactly that, the same way ISIL/ISIS is.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

Amnesty is not a neutral source. They are always biased toward minimizing casualties regardless of political outcome.

Once you know that, and that they aren’t news so much as they cite news, it’s readable.

SCB, to asklemmy in Where can I NEUTRALLY keep up to date about the Palestina/Israel situation?

A pro-Palestinian position is (for now) anti-Hamas and pro-Abbas, supports the removal from Hamas from power, supports Israeli action against Hamas, but decries the limitations of aid or the blockades from Egypt/Jordan/etc against even short-term refugees.

Palestine would currently be a country, for the first time in human history, if Hamas did not exist.

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

Yeah that’s because of aforementioned Pigouvian taxes. The entire point is pricing some people out of purchasing them.

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

brutally logical

No it’s totally unrelated to the discussionl. I think your objection is very poorly thought out.

I used to smoke menthols and I’m white as the driven snow my man. Nothing racist about targeting the cigarettes preferred by the people who are majority smokers by percentage.

I also think “this doesn’t effect me so I don’t care” is a poor way of looking at governance.

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

I don’t understand why you refuse to engage in good faith with a person who is just trying to teach you things, but now this conversation is over.

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

Would you like a citation on what Pigouvian taxes are, how the cigarette industry is flooded with competition, or that putting further regulations on products makes them more expensive to produce?

I assumed you could Google any of these but I can do it for you. Fair warning, you’ll be getting a “let me Google that for you” link.

Not one of these facts is even remotely controversial so my mind is a bit boggled that you’d even try to contest any of them

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

Maybe read to the end of that sentence and it will make more sense. I know it was a long sentence, and that’s scary, but I believe in you.

SCB, to mildlyinteresting in the FDA is considering a ban on menthol cigarette sales

This is not an expression of an opinion. These are statements of fact. As in our other discussion, I am simply explaining things to you.

You not liking these facts does not make them less true.

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