derbis

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derbis, (edited )

I’m not sure why this is regarded as an acceptable source at all, frankly.

Edit: for more detail, the founder of this paper is Seth Klarman, an American billionaire who also founded university campus initiatives that carry water for Israel and engage in anti-muslim and anti-Arab activities in the US. He’s also involved in blatant propaganda outfits like MEMRI, CAMERA, and Birthright.

Greenland startup begins shipping glacier ice to cocktail bars in the UAE (www.theguardian.com)

Arctic Ice harvests ice from the fjords of Greenland, and then ships them to the United Arab Emirates to sell to exclusive bars. Using glacial ice in drinks is a common practice in Greenland, and, over the years, several entrepreneurs have unsuccessfully attempted to export it....

derbis,

Ditto except why not put the freezers in Dubai

derbis, (edited )

People want them because they’re posturing conspicuous consumers.

derbis,

It “stems” from a deliberate effort to conflate them by the likes of the ADL .

Your article itself says:

Police now believe this was a Russian-inspired destabilisation operation rather than a home-grown intimidation campaign.

Your article itself also says that the police are the source for this assertion, and goes on to say

In June, the fatal police shooting of a 17-year-old driver of Moroccan and Algerian descent in a Paris suburb sparked almost two weeks of riots across the country in which schools, buses and police stations were torched, shops looted, mayors assaulted and police attacked in nightly clashes. The violence, which did not specifically target Jews, was fuelled by widespread resentment of perceived police racism.

And if that weren’t enough, it’s already demonstrated that expressing support for Palestine is being conflated with antisemitism.

The government initially banned pro-Palestinian demonstrations

So the government bans support for Palestine, the police enforce that ban, and the police say antisemitism is rising among young Muslims.

All this from the same article, that you posted. Very weak sauce.

Israeli public figures accuse judiciary of ignoring incitement to genocide in Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

"For the first time that we can remember, the explicit calls to commit atrocious crimes, as stated, against millions of civilians have turned into a legitimate and regular part of Israeli discourse,” they write. “Today, calls of these types are an everyday matter in Israel.”...

derbis,

Huge resources have been devoted to tracking down people, mostly anonymous and with little reach, over speech that authorities interpreted as supporting Hamas, the letter notes. By late November, 269 investigations had been opened and 86 indictments filed.

“It is quite amazing the number of criminal investigations, when it comes to Palestinian citizens of Israel, most of them completely anonymous, many of them almost with no audience,” Sfard said. “The gap between that and the freedom and impunity for those who advocate all kinds of things – ethnic cleansing, killing civilians, bombarding civilian areas, and even genocide – doesn’t square up, and that’s something for the authorities to explain.”

This right here. Don’t let anyone tell you Israel is not an apartheid state with separate sets of rules based on who you are.

derbis,

I, personally, believe that we all will come to a comfortable consensus moving forward

This is a somewhat uncomfortable ellipsis for me. Can you be more specific about the emerging consensus? Last time I asked this question it went ignored.

Where are these discussions happening? On the beehaw Lemmy or elsewhere?

I only saw one thread alluding to this posted by a beehaw admin on Lemmy.ml.

derbis,

What in particular? Maybe these could be addressed as a fork. I would be willing to contribute to the extent I can

derbis,

This seems ideal to me. Does Lemmy not support this setup?

derbis,

Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.

Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.

derbis,

Argumentum ad hominem. They’re right about this and they deserve plaudits for being the ones to open the case.

derbis,

Yeah I would be shocked at 4GB of text haha

derbis,

How much cake does this make? A whole cup of olive oil, wow

derbis, (edited )

Hrm, so… There is a chat bot installed in Line that monitors all incoming messages and inserts itself when it it’s triggered by something said in a private conversation?

As much as I want disinformation fought I’m extremely wary of this approach.

derbis,

Ah, that’s rather better if it’s voluntary.

derbis,

They ended up trapped in that hellhole because the majority of them or their families were victims of the ethnic cleansing that created Israel.

derbis,

Kristallnacht

derbis,

It was in Austria, I think. You’re thinking of the colander-head ID photo?

derbis,

I was hoping we weren’t going to have to put up with this propaganda crapola off Reddit. Oh well.

derbis, (edited )

From this garbage article

The chanting, I think, calling for intifada, global revolution, [is] very disturbing,” Magill said during questioning. “I believe at minimum that is hateful speech that has been and should be condemned.

Intifada means “resistance.” Every occupied people has a right to resist. Except, apparently, Palestinians.

… grilled Gay on Harvard’s Middle East Studies courses, which she claimed included “false accusations that Israel is a racist, settler colonialist, apartheid state

Well, it is. No amount of trying to conflate support for human rights with antisemitism is going to change that.

If this is what they mean by “hate” nobody should be surprised that lots of people aren’t buying it.

derbis,

Yes, because that organization published a definition of antisemitism that effectively makes it almost off limits to criticize the actions of the Israeli state. And that definition is being codified into policy or even law in many cases. Even the author of this definition has objected to the way it’s being used.

derbis,

It’s “clear” in the sense that it pays lip service to the concept. In practice, as this article discusses, it is used as a cudgel to over-apply the accusation of antisemitism and shield Israel from discussion of its apartheid policies. Some allegedly antisemitic organizations, under this definition, have included Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

The letter said the first example can be used to suppress claims that Israel is breaching international laws against apartheid and is violating conventions to end racial discrimination. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have both been accused of antisemitism under the IHRA definition over detailed reports saying that Israel practises a form of apartheid, an accusation also levelled by Israeli human rights groups.

“The example on ‘applying double standards’ opens the door to labeling as antisemitic anyone who focuses on Israeli abuses as long as worse abuses are deemed to be occurring elsewhere,” the letter said.

“By that logic, a person dedicated to defending the rights of Tibetans could be accused of anti-Chinese racism, or a group dedicated to promoting democracy and minority rights in Saudi Arabia could be accused of Islamophobia.”

Anyone who actually cares about antisemitism rather than just cheerleading for the Israeli state should oppose this because it cheapens the accusation in its overapplication, and casts doubt on the legitimacy of real incidences of antisemitism.

derbis,

My position is that it is not a good definition, and that it has been selected because it provides cover for this "mis-"use. I make no claim to know anything about you nor did I mention Netanyahu.

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