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mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

You use twice as mich fuel to accelerate from 0 to 30mph as 0 to 20mph, and if you hit a pedestrian at 30mph there’s a 20% chance it will be fatal Vs 2.5% at 20mph.

You are never going to average the speed limits throughout your drive, unless you’re speeding. In an urban environment, where 20mph speed limits are used, you will lose seconds on your journey.

But anyway, where is this coming from? The post is about speed cameras, not what the limits are set to. Why are you even bringing that up?

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

If not cameras and not police then it’s what? Just let people drive as fast as they want?

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Better infrastructure would be great, but there will always be places where you will need to drive slower than the designed speed, and drivers should be able to follow that if they’re going to be allowed to pilot a large and dangerous vehicle.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

The tolerance is usually 10% + 2 mph in the UK.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

The cameras in question are on the UK, and cameras change behaviour because they enforce rules, as the study shows.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Wishing and hoping for people to be better than they are isn’t a solution. Just because traffic calming is more expensive, that’s not a reason to not do it. It is something that needs to be done if you want to break car dependency.

We should be doing that, but local councils don’t have the money after more than a decade of tory austerity. I also believe that driver’s should be able to drive below the speed limit even if the road isn’t correct for it, because there will always be places like that (around construction, for example), and like you say we can’t just wish and hope for them to follow that rule so some enforcement is needed.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

I had a look earlier and only saw the opposite (see lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…), do you have any links?

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

I agree the fines should be proportionate, but a police officer doing the enforcement can stop whoever they don’t like the look of whether or not they are actually speeding whereas a camera will only target those who are actually, you know, speeding.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Road tax doesn’t exist in the UK, and if it did it wouldn’t be something the local council has any control over. We need to get rids of the tories in the central government and start funding local councils better.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Cameras are enforcement without the discrimination and potential for violence that cops bring.

Traffic calming is great but it’s also more expensive. Maybe drivers should just try driving below the speed limit.

mondoman712, (edited ) to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

Fixing the infra would be great but local councils often just don’t have the money to.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Speed cameras don’t discriminate on who they stop, and their enforcement doesn’t turn violent like it can do for human enforcement.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

You aren’t piloting a public transport vehicle, a professional is and you are free to not worry about it.

A frequent and comprehensive public transport system does allow for that freedom, without all of the burdens of car ownership. Bikes and car share can be used to fill in the gaps when the public transport isn’t comprehensive enough.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

The problem with electric cars is that they’re a distraction. They make people think they’re part of the solution when they’re only partly addressing one of the many problems cars cause. I’m not against people buying them assuming that they’re in a position where they need a new car, but advocating for electric cars as a solution is wrong. I read the OP like this, not how you read it.

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