They already do have AI therapy assistants. CBT type therapy is particularly easy to turn into an app. There are half a dozen in the Google Play store now. They’re a nice reminder at times, but no substitute for human conversation.
Once we do have AIs capable of conversation indistinguishable from real human, then therapy is not the only job that will be disrupted. Therapy will be no more or less safe a career path than so many other things.
Second, humans will still need to program, train, and monitor the therapy AIs. The obvious candidates to fill the role at first are experienced therapists with a bit of tech savvy. Until they optimize to the point where the job can be done by warm bodies paid minimum wage, probably “contractors” so liability can be compartmentalized. Then we’re back to the point above where everyone in any career is fucked anyway, might as well do what you’re good at and what you enjoy for a decade or two.
I wanna say memetic and—I can’t seem to find the corresponding term memesis, although I wonder if it just reduces down to mimesis which I discussed earlier…
The problem is: mimetic and memetic seem to be distinct to rhe extent that mimetic ≠ memetic, per se
But does that carry a contrived angle to it? Like when you genuinely love something someone else does or likes…
My favorite example is on Workaholics where their in therapy together and Adam’s like:
I know you’re trying to hurt my feelings right now with that but I LOVE IT and Imma say it all the time now
Maybe a bit intense but I love that idea of simply
I love it and Imma do it ALL THE TIME now
But like, positive and authentic cuz youvlove it and even in the absense of a subject to mirror, like that basketball thing how you play like nobody’s watching or something as the nexus to greatness and fullfillment/self-love
Edit: are there any legs to the mimesis keyword in the context?
“Mirroring” isn’t an insult, or necessarily manipulative. It is literally built in to us humans! Our brains have specific portions dedicated to imitation and empathy called “mirror neurons”.
These neurons help us feel what others around us are feeling. It’s why you feel sad when you see someone else being sad. Or why it can make us smile to see someone else having a great day!
The behavior of mirroring someone is a form of social bonding (“See! I’m like you!”) which is the basis of building human relationships.
Having in-jokes and picking up particular quirks of people around us probably has a special jargon to psychologists.
I simply meant mirroring is more episodic/acute as opposed to someone changing and adopting that change either in perpetuity or for something a bit longer term
Edit: but now I think about it, my examples were more like that whereas the larger idea I was reaching for was that of whatever the root concept of memetic is
At the end of the day AI (no just the LLM we call AI now) are really good at doing boring machine work. These tasks are repetitive, simple and routine. This includes all the LLM which can summarize boring text and generate more boring text. It can't generate anything new but just output and rearrange.
What there will be always need for are human work. This includes creativity, emotions and human interaction. A machine can't replace that at all. Psychology and therapy are all emotions and human interactions so it might be the most safe career choice. Same with something like haircutting or other career that involve human wisdom and personal skills.
Boring jobs like sending and receiving emails might be replaced. The reason businesses are so scared is that the majority of people in an office just do that
It’s definitely possible, but such an AI would probably be good enough to take over every other field too. So it’s not like you can avoid it by choosing something else anyway.
And the disruption would be large enough that governments will have to react in some way.
You are putting WAY too much faith in the ability of programmers. Real AI that can do the job of a therapist is decades away, at least - and then there’s the approval process, which will take years all by itself. Don’t underestimate that. AI therapy is uncharted territory, and the approval process will be lengthy, detailed, and incredibly strict.
Lastly, there’s public acceptance. Even if AI turns out to have measurably better outcomes, if people aren’t comfortable with it, statistics won’t matter. People aren’t rational. I don’t care how “good” Alexa is, or how much evidence you show me - I will never accept that a piece of software can understand what it’s like to grow up as a person. I want to talk about my issues with a flawed, fallible human, not a box plugged into the wall.
You ask a valid question, just much earlier than necessary. I’d be surprised if AI was a viable alternative by the time you retire.
There are already digital therapeutic platforms approved for mental health. Orexo deprexis is one such program. The fact is that the vast majority of people who need therapy aren’t getting it now. These ai therapy models will provide services to those people. I’m willing to bet that in a decade, the majority of therapy will be done by AI, with human therapists focused on the most severe behavioral health conditions.
Because 20 years of social media have programed people to behave in very fake, upvote/like/positive attention dopamine reward center overdriving manners of actions to maximize attention and reward.
The redundancy is somewhat the point. While one instance may have a dominant version of a community which is visited by people of numerous instances, other instances having local versions promotes decentralization, and helps smaller instance form their own culture.
The decentralization is good because it ensures a single power mod, cabal of mods, or crooked admin situation can not unilaterally ruin everything. Users can just jump ship to a different community that is run by different admins and mods.
Smaller instances having spaces where their own memes and in-jokes is good to create a culture for that instance to help give some different flavor and helps that specific instance grow. This feeds into supporting the variety of smaller communities on that instance, allowing them a chance at traction rather than existing in a void.
If you want both communities, just subscribe to them both and let them appear on your feed.
It fractures good discussions and fosters more social bubbles.
What we’d need is a sort of mirroring by willingly crossposting and, by that design, share the conversation as a whole and not as a pointer to the original + local discussion.
Especially annoying with tech news scrolling past 5 identical posts because we have 5 different types of r/technology or c/technology (too lazy to link a specific one…)
I don’t necessarily see fracturing as a bad thing. I don’t know about you, but I didn’t find the askreddit discussions with 10,000+ replies to be particularly high quality. At least, no higher than what were found in much smaller threads. Fracturing can help make threads less overwhelmingly large. In addition to the other reasons why the redundancy can be a positive.
I understand why seeing ten different versions of ctechnology would get old, but that’s only when scrolling by ‘all’. Scrolling by either local or subscriptions will for the most part fix that. A downside is if you are subscribed to multiple ctechnology communities, in which case having a “multireddit” style feed would be nice. I think the Voyager app may offer that, I actually haven’t tried it out.
But when it comes to browsing ‘all’, seeing duplicates from different instances is a far sight better than having a centralized site where ‘all’ is dominated by low effort rage/horny/stupid bait.
I only filter by subbed and (to not miss) also wanna see all the tech news I can get so I will sub to multiple.
I would like a design like crossposting but instead of either or the other make it a feature.
With your feedback in my mind I’d propose this idea:
Share the discussion as a user to another community like crossposting. As a visitor/browser of the communitx it was posted on, you can now set a switch to either see all content discussed by all communities in one post (and somehow federated to all other instances) or filter by a specific one because one instance is always the toxic one.
If a mods decides it doesnt fit, he doesnt delete/take down the post but instead defederates the instance from this one post.
With that design it should combat spam posting the same post as it can’t be spoofed.
It would also respect user blocked instances.
Sort of a federated post in the fediverse.
I don’t know how that would be solved in lemmy nor the fediverse protocol but it sounds plausible as a standout feature.
I don’t design or implement features, but sure on a user end I’m sure there are many possibilities for fine tuning. I understand the desire to make a feed act just a certain way, I had used Apollo for Reddit and heavily taken advantage of its filter and organization features.
I don’t think that level of streamlining should be the default on the federation level, as OP mused by merging the communities themselves. The existence of duplicate communities is a feature of federation.
And besides, there’s a good chance that eventually only one or two truly survive, so chances are it won’t be a problem in the future. Enjoy why you live in the bleeding edge, where everything is new and still settling
I’d like to see multi-reddit type functionality, so you can see each of the communities as one feed. And the ability to subscribe to that multi-lemmy.
Plus deduplication. One entry in the feed that covers all cross-posts (with some way to pick which comment feed you want to see - or hey, maybe combine them).
I find cross posting between the communities here kind of annoying tbh. I end up getting a lot of duplicate posts because I subscribe to both like OP suggested
In the feed, or rather the API endpoint that populates the feed, it is up to the client to combine duplicate; there’s no cross post data attached to the post objects until you click into a post.
It’s my hope to see unity and cohesion is the Lemmy-verse.
On a certain level, isn’t this against its basic idea? A variety of instances/sites connecting with each other seems more the point of federation than a unified/coherent whole.
The tripping point/growing pain for these various instances/sites at the moment seems to be there’s more similar, likeminded groups adopting the software to spin them up than there are distinct groups to create the variety that might reduce/mitigate redundant communities (in the Lemmy sense of that term).
From my perspective it’s weird watching lemmy users constantly talk about lemmy like you all live in a private house. I’m from kBin but most of my subs are beehaw and lemmy.
The entire point of all of this is to find the best communities for you. The same idea should be discussed across various forums because forcing a community into one place allows for power hungry people to become moderators who censor and control the community. It also usually becomes an echo chamber as new opinions get squashed by popular ones.
I agree there might be better ways to organize everything but I think the first best step is to get everyone to realize that this isn’t a “us or them” or a “lemmy or kBin”. It’s more like I’m logged in through AOL and you’re logged in through EarthLink. Now we get to browse all this stuff in these shared spaces.
Instead of one community becoming completely dominant on a topic, there’s another one close on its heels should anything happen to the first.
And if I subscribe to both, who cares which a particular post comes from? Just scroll down the feed, read a post if it looks interesting, ignore if it doesn’t. Which community it originates from doesn’t matter.
I wonder if the people who push for one community per topic across all the Fediverse are just extreme tidiness types who get a kick out of seeing everything in orderly little boxes. Trying to Marie Kondo a decentralized internet forum, that way lies madness.
It would be annoying to see repeat posts, this is people’s main complaint. In my opinion this could be fixed with a tab system that takes you between comments sections of posts of the same URL on different instances.
I completely understand your perspective and align with it, but people need to start thinking about these discussions when they push for more mass adoption and expanding the user base. Lemmy is niche; if people want to have individuals join who aren’t very tech savvy, they need to consider why people are asking questions such as OP’s. The “if you don’t like it then leave” mentality cannot coincide with “we need more users and engagement”. The platform doesn’t necessarily need to change, but it needs to learn to be inclusive of those who are used to centralized platforms like Reddit and make accommodations or compromises. Otherwise Lemmy will not grow. If not growing is the consensus, that’s fine, but Lemmy needs to make it’s mind up first of what it wants to be.
I can barely figure all this out and my goal is exactly where you are talking about — to make adopting Lemmy as easy as possible to attract as many users away from the corporate social media as possible.
I suppose that I can personally tolerate same-theme communities across multiple instances. I feel like I was a late arrival at Reddit and when I grasped it’s potential, it became an important source of information, entertainment and community for me. Then it imploded.
But a lot of people are still over there and I guess I hope to see it flatlined completely.
So I hope that Lemmy can be as easy to use as possible.
But this thread has persuaded me that redundant groups are healthy. I just hope new users come here and abandon all corporate social media.
One option is them being tied together while remaining separate. Like have the clients all treat them as one channel on the client side, with them still all being separate on the server end.
I think the main problem people want dealt with is when they are in 7 of the same community accross different servers and someone cross posts something to all 7 of them. I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to solve that problem on the user end, like discouraging cross posts or whatever, but there could be a way that posting to one automatically and invisibly crossposts to all the channels that are deemed “like” that one. Whether communities could have tags that align with post tags, or something like that. I don’t know. But it sucks that right now the option is either pick one and deal with missing out on anything not cross posted, or pick a few and deal with all the things you see multiple times.
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