Fellow Lemmings, how to create Social Media that does not have mods?

I am an anarchist, so the idea of the community doing all the work, creating content, and then mods basically ruling over them as a reward, just doesn’t sit right with me.

We the users should collectively be in control of all our social media, economically and with regards of controling what goes on, on there.

All social media get’s its value from the users i.e. the network effect. However the users are subjected to a hierachical place where individuals in power act as tyrants.

We create the value we should be in charge.

Fellow Lemmings how can we create social media were the users are king/queen?

post Scriptum: just having a voting mechanism, might be gamed by unsavory charcters or groups to game such a system, unless voting requires your clear name id, which comes with other issues of course.

Mighty,
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But isn’t modding essentially already Community-driven self-government? Nobody’s getting paid for being a mod right?(?) You can be a mod. Modding isn’t a “reward”, it’s a chore. Sure, some might exploit their position. But self-government here means that the community is then in charge of either taking the power back or creating a different community page. You are not bound to the mods. They don’t have power over you that you don’t give to them

Stamets,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

Nobodys getting paid for being a mod, right?

I’m sure as hell not

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

Once a mod is in position, the community has no influence over his/her/their decisions.

Mnmalst,
@Mnmalst@kbin.social avatar

@BigBlackCockroach Have you heard of https://nostr.com/ ?
Should be of interest to you.
It's censorship resistant by design and you can get 100% censorship resistance by running your own relay (server which transfers the data between the clients).
It's a protocol, so all kinds of different applications can be implemented with it. Something like mastodon already exists.

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t heard of it, thank you I appreciate it! <3

BudgetBandit,

The problem with anarchy is that 50% of people are below average intellect, Implementing the normal distribution, we can say that 30% of all people are dumb as fuck. Since we know that the wiser one yields, it is clear that the true power comes from the idiots, rendering it useless.

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

If you want to discuss anarchy let’s do that on an anarchy subLemmy. This is not a political post, even though I mentioned my political leanings, for the sake of full disclosure.

The question i am asking is technical: how to implement community self-governance.

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski,

Still, I think you're misundernderstaing what anarchy is. It is not the absence of people in positions of governance. It is the rejection of unwarranted/unjustified power positions. In that sense, if the community feels that a mod is something they want to, as other people have commented, keep the place clean, and as long as the mod can justify their work and what they do to the community, that is perfectly compatible with anarchism

DmMacniel,

just having a voting mechanism, might be gamed by unsavory charcters or groups to game such a system, unless voting requires your clear name id, which comes with other issues of course.

Why? I thought you were an anarch? Why do you fear that something could be exploited? Why the gatekeeping, when all users should be monarchs?

Communities work because there are members that take care about them, and foster them. If there aren’t then everything will collapse because not everyone shares the same value and even outright disrupt or destroy those communities.

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

anarch

this isn’t a political post, I am asking a technical question. I just stated where I’m coming from to be honest and upfront with everybody.

DmMacniel,

An anarch is the same thing as an arnarchist though or someone who follows anarchism.

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

sure! but i am not posting this for politcal reasons, I only mentioned this to open and honest about my motivations. This post is asking a technical question however

DmMacniel,

Then just open a lemmy/mastodon/pixelfed/peertube instance, bury your admin account, and don’t accept any moderators. Easy.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I think the only way it could work would be if everyone had their own self-hosted site, otherwise the admin/owner would have power over the users. With everyone using their own individual instance, they can block content they don’t want to see but no one has any power over others.

It would be too complicated for normal people to set up and use, and most wouldn’t want to pay for hosting when they can use Facebook for “free”.

BigBlackCockroach,
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

most wouldn’t want to pay for hosting when they can use Facebook for “free”.

Unless they get something they won’t find on facebook -> freedom.

I think your idea about everybody basically becoming their own instance is not as bad as it sounds. If social media was peer to peer, using bittorrent technology somehow the hosting issue might somehow be resolved.

That would still leave open the issue of self-governance: how would you genuinely determine the community wishes on any given subject? some may sabotage, others may use bots, other again may try to be disruptive and others may abuse other users or the community.

DreamySweet,
@DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Most people don’t want freedom. They want rules and mods to enforce them so they don’t see things that they find offensive.

If everything is self-hosted, why would community wishes matter? Just block the people that disagree with you and do what you want. If you’re getting abused, block the abusers. If people are disruptive, ignore them. That’s pretty much how the internet used to work back when we were using forums and personal sites instead of modern social media.

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