doppelgangmember, (edited )

But how do we profit off of this ???

edit: lol sad you all cannot tell this was a joke -_-

OsrsNeedsF2P,

We profit through worldwide prosperity

dutchkimble,

First, you set up a company, doesn’t matter the name. Hire the bare minimum number of employees maybe one to handle accounting, and one sales person to start. Make sure you pay them either minimum wage or slightly under, with a false promise of introducing a profit sharing mechanism soon to keep them motivated. Then, the magic starts. You handle key clients yourself and make your sales target various demographies - sell this graphic for 1 bison dollar per jpeg. The trick is to sell the first million within 3 months. Show these sales to banks or investors and ask them for a further 500 million to expand and scale up your sales. Then, you vanish to an unknown island in the Pacific. Easy money.

doppelgangmember,

Thanks brb :)

yagav50850,

Why are so many people racist against indians? This thread is a good example.

fafok20662,

Why are so many people racist against indians?

Because your race consists of scamming and lying “people” who have no concept of hygiene. You smell like poop and look utterly repulsive. The world would be better if india is nuked.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

Reported this filth, just saying.

fafok20662,

Ok pajeet

yagav50850,

No one asked you

30p87,

Well to be fair, you did. And he’s the perfect answer to your question, as an example to why some people are racist: They’re simply dumb.

Churbleyimyam,

Are you an adult?

agame,

Probably trolls looking for attention and engagement. But not being aware that their comments does hurt someone.

wopod77356,

I’m a troll and i want my comments to hurt someone

rar,

4chan trolls who didn’t grow up when everyone else did.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Indians are present in big numbers on reddit and other websites due to how populated India is, how english is popular there and that they aren’t contained in national platforms like their chinese neighbors. It makes them noticeable for bigots to single them out and target. Just because they want someone to hate and laugh at to up their self-esteem.

satan,

riiiight it’s not like they use their population to push lies, distort the truth and not push their extreme caste hatred elsewhere.

It makes them noticeable for bigots to single them out and target.

it’s actually the opposite. one indian guy pushes a lie that puts india in a better light and almost every indian votes the post or comment to the top. anyone pointing out the truth is buried by the nationalistic brigade.

Racism is bad, using the ignorant populace to push lies is bad too.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Do you think the government itself is involved here, or is it just volunteers? Did it occur to fediverse? I think here you are talking about reddit, right?

I’m not Indian and all I’ve seen lately are news about how bad their ecological and ethnic situations under Modi are. I’ve heard of something named like r/chodi, but mostly from drama write-ups. What’s the scale of brigading we are talking about?

Xel,
@Xel@mujico.org avatar

I think it’s due to the stereotypes and the bad experiences, I’ve had pretty bad experiences with indians in gaming (racist, annoying, begging) and work (incompetent, corrupt, etc), but I’ve also seen that from other people with different backgrounds, more importantly though is that I’ve also seen some amazing tutorials in YouTube from Indian peeps and I’ve also found some great repos from Indian devs as well.

Dave, (edited )
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m an instance admin and see heaps of the same stuff being posted. Pretty sure it’s one lonely troll not lots of people. Even in this thread, it’s all one user account not lots of different people, but we see the same stuff posted across lots of brand new accounts in a very similar way.

SoaringDE,

Well, up to 2 people now. But yeah, I get your point. Some people just suck

yagav50850,

Makes sense. Even then a lot of the troll’s comments are upvoted by a few people. There are definitely a few people here who share the troll’s extreme opinions. Thanks for doing your part in removing all these bullshit. I wish lemmy had a way to block account creation by IP addresses. That might stop trolls from making dozens of alt accounts.

Churbleyimyam,

The problem is that would also ban anyone else who might be on the same IP. VPN, Tor exit node, public WiFi etc. Nothing beats a well staffed moderation team and other users willing to report abuse IMO.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

We very often see the same username created across many instances, it’s very easy to do and Lemmy has no protections against it. Plus, there are no protections against creating multiple accounts to upvote your own posts (don’t get any ideas 😆). IP blocks wouldn’t work as instances are entirely independent, so there is no sharing of IP info across different instances.

Currently there is at least some level of coordination across instances, though, such as Lemmy.world’s Defense HQ, where instance admins can share info about spammers/trolls so we don’t have to wait for a report from one of our own users. There’s also Fediseer, but this protects against spam instances not spam accounts on mainstream instances.

ShitOnABrick,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Defense hq? Can I have a link might prove useful

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Sure! It’s on the decentralised chat platform Matrix, which has heaps of lemmy stuff. If you need further instructions, feel free to ask 🙂

matrix.to/#/:lemmy.world

ShitOnABrick,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Alright fanks m8

dan, (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

there are no protections against creating multiple accounts to upvote your own posts

They don’t even have to be real accounts. Lemmy uses the ActivityPub protocol, and nothing’s stopping someone from creating an ActivityPub server that federates with a Lemmy instance and spams upvotes from randomly-generated usernames. The server could just pretend that every username is a valid one.

Of course, I think something like that would be defederated pretty quickly.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yes, there’s fediseer that can help with that sort of thing. However, I think if it wasn’t spam, it may not get noticed as quick as you’d think. Create a lemmy.world account, post a meme, and use your special server to throw 50 or 100 upvotes at it, and probably no one would realise.

Anbalsilfer,

We very often see the same username created across many instances

Guilty as charged. I’ll say though, there are several legitimate reasons why one might want to do this. I personally use it as a substitute for Reddit’s multireddit feature, by grouping community subscriptions across different instances by theme. As long as users use the same username across instances I don’t think this practice should be automatically regarded as an attempt to sockpuppet. It that was the goal, the accounts would definitely not be using the same username across all the instances.

taladar,

Personally I have accounts on multiple instances because I wanted to make communities in different languages and some instances focus a lot more on one language than others and also because the SFW instances defederated the NSFW ones. I do not really interact with the same posts though.

WoefKat, (edited )

That’s what I used to love so much about reddit. NSFW and regular content on the same platform. No judgment.

Though the quality has really gone downhill since the people that really did it for exhibitionism reasons got overshadowed by the enormous wave of people trying to spam their onlyfans :(

Monetisation kills everything, not just on the platform side but also the content-generator side.

Dave, (edited )
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I didn’t intend to imply that by using the same username across instances you were breaking some sort of rule. Different instances have different moderation policies, different federation policies, and different intents. Having multiple accounts in good faith should not be an issue and was not what I was trying to imply.

Rather, the intention was to show that we know bad actors do this with nefarious intent. Here’s an example (they show zero comments as they have been banned with content removed - also I think these ones only had posts not comments anyway):

lemmy search showing many search results for the same name across many instances indicating escort services

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

These are racist people that want to stereotype and put down India merely for having top 2 IT industry workers in the world, and getting the job vacancies they feel entitled to. These assholes will tell you how India is responsible for 95% of all IT scam calls, but will never tell you how its never India but almost always Western countries (easily above 85% of global) developing ransomware and locking up people’s data for $300-500 per victim.

ftatateeta,

Why is linux so popular in India?

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

I can speculate:

  1. Engineering is very popular in India and computer programming is one of the courses that is common to all disciplines. Our professors recommended installing Linux.
  2. A few years back, Dell would sell budget laptops with Ubuntu preloaded instead of Windows. Although I can’t find any right now.
  3. Back around 2010s, in my state edu. board, we were taught about Ubuntu in high school and had Linux Mint installed in our school computers. Although the material was very shallow and designed short-shortsightedly, it helped introduce Linux and FOSS to lots of us.
Rhapsodicjock_108, (edited )

Government departments are slowly ditching windows because everything they need to do can be done on Linux without malware attacks and every application screaming “buy me!” every time you open it.

Also educational institutions (at least in my State) do give basic Ubuntu training. I learned Gimp ,Inkscape and Libre office as part of my curriculum.

And we love free stuff.

andruid,

There is also the reduction of dependencies on non-democratic institutions for the government to function! The America first policy held by the US for a few years triggered a lot of planning from governments to increase their ability to sovereign from the states.

the_lone_wolf,
@the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml avatar

Bcz being seen as a hacker is cool

markkdark,

Because they are smarter than the West and less likely to use the biggest “scam” called Windows. Linux is also suitable for less modern computers and useful with excellent FOSS software.

ShitOnABrick, (edited )
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

India is a country with a huge population India is also a third world country where people. 1 computer is probably an years wages for most Indians. And alot of linux distros run well on older hardware same goes for eastern europe and africa or so I hear plus engineering is very popular over there as embed put it himself

yoz,

Probably lots of devops and network engineers

dvtt,

Probably because Microsoft made newer versions to of Windows unusable on the cheap, older machines that are common there

danielfgom,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Because it’s free. That’s the beauty of FOSS software. But only is it user freedom respecting but also often free of charge.

In third world countries like India where only a small percentage can afford a Windows licence, Linux can thrive. And once people see it can do anything that Windows can, and far better with no security concerns, plus they can modify and build upon Linux, they tend to adopt it with passion.

If you’re starting a business in India and have little money but need an OS to run your business, Linux can do that for you for free.

LeFantome,

I suspect it is a combination of its being free, working well on older hardware, and the tech literacy in India.

Software development and engineering are important aspects of the Indian economy. Linux is arguably the best platform for that kind of work, especially in the cloud. Tech support of those kinds of systems require the same skills.

Given how well Linux runs on older machines, I consider low Linux penetration a hallmark of rich countries.

In my own household, Linux goes on all the older hardware ( including Macs ). That has really extended the length of time before hardware needs to be replaced. It also means that, over time, the percentage of active equipment using Linux has increased.

LeFantome,

Think of the opportunity Linux creates in a place like India. If you have some smarts and a good work ethic, Linux and a machine from 2010 allows you to run the very latest software used by tech giants all over the world.

You can self-teach a huge number of skills on Linux and become deeply familiar with the REAL software that professionals are using—even in the West. One you know your stuff, you can leverage that into a job that pays fantastic money by local standards.

If you want to be a developer, you can build a GitHub portfolio or participate in Open Source projects.

If you are more entrepreneurial, you can post videos showing others how to use the skills you have acquired. These not only make a fantastic resume but they can generate advertising income. What may seem like a poor return on time in richer countries can provide important income in poorer ones.

If you have not tried it, you may be amazed that you can run up-to-the minute current versions of Docker, Kubernetes, databases, dev in any language ( even .NET ), and almost any other in-demand technology on really old Linux hardware.

Beyond hard technology skills, a Linux computer is just a fabulous productivity tool. You can get hardware and software to help manage your business that you perhaps could never afford otherwise. If you are a creative professional, you have access to amazing tools. If you are a photographer, you have pro level tools. If you are an architect or engineer, same thing. Again, we can say that some of these are not “professional” but I bet they do the job in markets where few can afford expensive software.

About the only things that push the hardware envelope these days are video editing, AI, and gaming. Even these work better than you may think though. It will take you longer but you can do pretty good video editing on 2010 HW for example.

Resol, (edited )
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s what it looks like in Morocco:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2012bb02-e558-4126-aba1-7617e55ef355.jpeg

Somehow we prefer using the Apple more than the Penguin.

ILikeBoobies,

Why is Chrome OS separate?

ftbd,

Enslaved Linux

jbk,
Amends1782,

Lmao true

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t really feel like Linux if you ask me. It’s not even open source, since Google controls everything. You could run Linux apps on it with a special mode I guess, but what bugs me is that they call Linux a “feature” when it’s absolutely not that at all.

But really, not a single soul in Morocco has even heard of Chrome OS. And even then, they’re gonna hate it.

ILikeBoobies,

Linux not GNU

separating just hurts the willingness to try Linux

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Sad

WoefKat,

Cool that they put FreeBSD in the list anyhow! I’m part of that 0.01% globally (though not in Morocco).

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

You’re the first person I know that uses FreeBSD.

WoefKat,

You could be the second!!

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Who knows?

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

August 2022

Old data, man.
https://i.imgur.com/jtKYVLN.jpg
It’s even better now.

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Those wild spikes don’t give me a lot of confidence in the data

velox_vulnus,

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  • ShitOnABrick,
    @ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

    This makes alot of sense I’ll imagine the folk using Linux aren’t using it out of choice but out of necessity due to linux being kinder to older hardware

    morrowind,
    @morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

    That explains the popularity of “unknown OS” but not why it swings so wildly

    XTornado,

    Uhm what’s re they using for this report… I would have assumed they would have gone with just taking the User Agent and similar which I guess that wouldn’t matter on the modifications you say.

    velox_vulnus,

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  • XTornado,

    Yeah sure but you usually fake a real existing one so it would go into one of the categories not the Unknown.

    kalleboo, (edited )

    The biggest spikes look like the correspond to new year. So my guess is that the spikes are vacations and show the difference between home PC and office PC usage.

    You can see the same spikes on e.g. Googles IPv6 chart - when people are away from work IPv6 penetration goes up, when people are at work it goes down.

    Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

    Damn, that’s a lot, and within a year too!

    Also, at least half of that ‘unknown’ is probably Linux too.

    redw0rm,
    @redw0rm@kerala.party avatar

    Glad that there are govt. level systems who make use of Linux (mostly ubuntu ) systems here. For eg. , in kerala, all govt schools and colleges use linux for computer labs and academic activities, i guess the local body administration too use ubuntu.

    Only wish we could convince those private sector schools of the money they’ll save converting those slow windows systems to linux.

    SnipingNinja,

    Problem with private schools is most likely the training investment required. They can’t as easily replace IT team and/or CS teachers with those who can handle Linux

    vsh,
    @vsh@lemm.ee avatar

    Using Linux for edu and using Linux for business is two different things

    possiblylinux127,

    Not necessarily, the management tools and techniques are similar

    uis, (edited )
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    OS for buiseness use often is cheap labour OS, which means OS that schools use.

    nitrogenez,
    @nitrogenez@lemmy.world avatar

    netbsd is just chilling somewhere in the corner, left to rot alone :(

    OsrsNeedsF2P, (edited )

    NetBSD’s license helps it get adoption, but much fewer public forks/natural contributors, so it’s gonna be pretty much impossible for it to catch up

    possiblylinux127,

    I think it actually hurts adoption as is allows companies to steal code

    TangledHyphae, (edited )

    We really need more marketing of Linux itself. I run ubuntu and run Cyberpunk 2077 natively, with a wireless gamepad… It’s all out of the box, I don’t know why people are afraid of it?

    Edit: It does take about 30 seconds to load things into VRAM, but still worth all of it.

    possiblylinux127,

    India is single handedly maintaining everything Foss.

    christos,
    @christos@lemmy.world avatar

    Somehow things seem similar (perhaps better) in Greece:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2805164f-1f31-45b4-861a-c0acbda12a5e.png

    okamiueru, (edited )

    12% in Norway! At least last I checked when this same stat was posted.

    uis, (edited )
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    How much in Linuxland?

    Edit: 3.52% in Finland.

    skqweezy,

    Czech Republic is at 2.53%

    This is the birthplace of Red Hat Linux for god’s sake

    iloverocks,

    Greenland is at 12,51% idk why but it is so I guess

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Statcounter reports 99% of Penguinland(Antarctica) uses OS X, which is obvious bullshit

    cyberwolfie,

    Rechecked this now, and it’s at about 5% now. The statistics seem a bit weird to me, unless there are some big seasonal changes. Your 12% was recorded in June and July. Maybe with less business activity during these months, the Windows share plummets in favor of home users who are more prone to use Linux.

    KarnaSubarna,
    @KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml avatar

    To be fair here, Greece has much less population than India 🙂

    christos,
    @christos@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh my bad, I misunderstood the concept of percentage.

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Percentage is not as easy or helpful to work with, when there are orders of magnitude difference between absolute numbers. It hides the absolute number difference for no other reason than unspoken lying of statistics.

    KarnaSubarna,
    @KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml avatar

    To put it in right context (relying on Wiki data for year 2021):

    Current population of Greece: 10,482,487 (~10.5 Million)

    Current population of India: 1,210,854,977 (~1.2 Billion)

    christos,
    @christos@lemmy.world avatar

    Percentage, it’s percentage that is recorded, percentage.

    crispy_kilt,

    "India has more people per capita!"

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    Banana_man,

    Το επόμενο μεγάλο ΟΧΙ θα απευθύνεται στην Microsoft >:)

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Anytime I see Greek or Hebrew, I feel like the Pillar Men are about to come for me.

    onlinepersona,

    We need more Linux marketing and more Linux hardware shops like Tuxedo Computers, SlimbookES, Purism, etc.

    Hopefully the Steam Deck is contributing here too.

    yoz,

    Thank you India

    hlqxz,

    Does it mean Android? Because India mostly uses Android.

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Android is not a desktop OS.

    hlqxz,

    Yes, I didn’t read “Desktop OS”. Sorry about that.

    adam,
    @adam@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    These stats are desktop only

    jol,

    Android is not reported as Linux.

    ILikeBoobies, (edited )

    I wish they would include mobile in these stats, it would better show consumer operating systems and the Android bump would let people know Linux isn’t as niche as they thought

    Edit: Apparently they have this but they don’t label it as Linux

    duck1e,

    but Android doesn’t feel like linux does it ? its on very old kernel , its restricted relatively locked down

    ILikeBoobies,

    You can find other embedded devices like that though

    jol,

    Because it’s not the same thing. That’s not what they mean with Linux.

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