Truck_kun,

I actually am in the market for a new mobo and cpu.

Are there any mobo’s nowdays that don’t use UEFI? I just want an old traditional style BIOS with a jumper to restore it from a ROM chip if I get any malware, so I can actually trust my hardware.

I did force myself to deal with UEFI for the sake of windows, but gaming has gotten good enough on Linux, I don’t actually need to dual boot windows anymore.

Am I asking too much?

yum13241,

No, and trying to use a pure BIOS system these days is a headache.

You can always just reflash your firmware from a trusted OS via FWUPD.

kelvie,

So I don’t get it, I have my entire boot image in a signed EFI binary, the logo is in there as well. I don’t think I’m susceptible to this, right? I don’t think systemd-boot or the kernel reads an unsigned logo file anywhere. (Using secure boot)

clmbmb,

This is way before reaching your bootloader. It’s about the manufacturer logo that’s displayed by UEFI while doing the whole hardware initialization.

kelvie,

That’s… Stored in the EFI partition or changeable in userspace?

clmbmb,

Depending on how the UEFI is configured, a simple copy/paste command, executed either by the malicious image or with physical access, is in many cases all that’s required to place the malicious image into what’s known as the ESP, short for EFI System Partition, a region of the hard drive that stores boot loaders, kernel images, and any device drivers, system utilities, or other data files needed before the main OS loads.

(from the article)

kelvie,

Right, I know EFI images are stored in the EFI partition, but with secure boot, only signed images can be executed, so they’d need to steal someone’s signing key to do this.

olafurp,

On Linux/Mac you have no use sudo. For sudo you need a password.

This thing will make it very easy to make a rubber ducky though.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
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Would be pretty easy to pull off if you had hardware access. Just boot from a flash drive and drop the exploit from there.

Even if their OS is full disk encrypted, this can easily inject a backdoor or just keylog the bootup password prompt.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
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I’ve never been a fan of the UEFI logo inserting itself into the boot screen. It’s basically just an advertisement for the hardware vendor because they’re jealous of the OS having the spotlight. And it’s an ad that, like so many other ads before it, screws over the security and privacy of the advertisee because fuck you that’s why.

ddkman,

I don’t know. It looks more aesthetically consistent. Your computer has to display something. Average users would be scared if it dumped logs on the display. so the vendor logo makes sense. It COULD just say loading, but this is a bit pedantic I think.

azertyfun,

??

With BIOS, it goes “Motherboard Logo -> OS Logo”

With UEFI, it goes “Motherboard Logo -> Motherboard Logo”

Sure, it’s more consistent, but the alternative is not user unfriendly, the only people it’s unfriendly to is the marketing wankers at Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc.

nik282000,
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When it comes to security, particularly at boot time, fuck the user. Users don’t interact with devices at boot time so it doesn’t matter if it shows a blank screen, a mile of logs or a screaming clown penis. If it was up to users no device or service would have a password or security of any kind, and every byte of information about your life would be owned by 'The Cloud." Let the marketing wanks insert their logo into the Windows boot process,

jabib,

Tell me more about this screaming clown penis option…

nik282000,
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You gotta hold ctrl alt shift honk at power up.

0xD,

I want to insert my own logo into the boot process, and I want these ducking vendors to properly validate and assess their mother ducking software. But nooo, penetration tests and any remediations are too expensive for these pieces of bit. Why do it when you can just stick your dick in everyone’s face, right?

Fuck.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
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The article didn’t mention this, but would disabling the UEFI logo in the boot screen mitigate the vulnerability until proper patches get rolled out? (Or honestly at this point, I’d keep it disabled even after it’s patched in case they didn’t patch it right. UEFI’s are all proprietary so it’s not like you can check.) Since the vulnerability is in the image parser, would bypassing that be enough?

Do they even let you disable it?

const_void,
Hagarashi8,

I may be wrong, but does it mean that if someone is able to modify my uefi - they would be able to inject virus in booting image?

BellaDonna,

Yes, that is exactly the implication

buwho,

is it common practice to have a web browser or media player running with elevated permissions? seems like a strange thing to do…

Acters,

Very unlikely unless there is an elevated privilege exploit to use alongside this

const_void,

We need more machines that support coreboot. These proprietary firmware vendors have been getting rich off making our machines worse for too long.

Manbart,
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A flashed Chromebook is an accessible option

mrchromebox.tech

downdaemon,
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i use coreboot but i’d prefer libreboot if a gaming level system with linux supported it. Are their any? I ask to the masses, not you specifically lol

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