Prunebutt, (edited )

Why the neutral language all of a sudden?

I was trying to be understood a bit better.

Are you trying to say 'all economic theories and models are not objectively true"?

Not explicitally, but yeah: models aren’t used for “objective truth”. They’re used to model (i.e. simplify) reality to make observations and guesses for the future.

Why would that be worth saying in response to the OP?

I feel like a lot of leftists think that understanding economics starts and ends with “capitalists exploit the labouring class”, while not actually engaging with the subject matter. I guess most can’t even explain LTV properly before getting mad at capitalists.

As I’ve written before: I agree with most conclusions of marxist analysis that I know and I probably don’t even know half of them. But I think that political analysis should use LTV as a tool to understand the world and not the end of socio-economical disgussion (because that would ignore important parts of today’s economy).

It really just seems like you disagree with the ‘your stolen labor value’ claim in the OP, and are attributing it to the ‘labor theory of value’

I don’t. I wanted to remind people as to make political analysis not too easy by taking the mental shortcut of reducing current capitalism on the problems pointed out by Marx rendition of LTV.

(as opposed to dismissing it because you disagree with some portion of the theory you’ve neglected to mention)

I don’t disagree. I also don’t disagree with the atomic model of Niels Bohr when it comes to calculating electron potential. When it comes to observing e.g. electron spin, that particular model will probably fall flat. That doesn’t mean I “disagree” with the model, though.

My hunch is that you don’t feel confident enough in your understanding to make any kind of firm claim and are just dancing around making vague gestures toward ‘labor’ and ‘value’ definitions as a way of avoiding it.

I’m not too confident in my economic knowledge, true. But I am quite confident in how models should be used in soft sciences.

Addendum: I’d like to kindly ask you to give me a little bit of benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, I’ll just disengage due to that accusatory tone I’m getting from you being a bit exhausting.

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