nottheengineer,

I still don’t know whether you’re supposed to hit those and I also don’t know if it’s normal to get two challenges or if that just means I did the first one wrong.

onion,

I think you should do what the majority of people would do

nottheengineer,

This has been memed about forever, no one knows what the majority does.

veroxii,

Most people do.

Pietson,

AFAIK, the first one is the real check, the second one is too train their image recognition AI.

nudnyekscentryk,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

That was in text captcha days

neoman4426,

I vaguely remember 4chan figuring out something to do with which was the control and which the variable and deciding to spam solving the control correctly but the variable with some kind of nonsense (knowing 4chan probably a slur) until the system got enough confirmation that it got moved to the control group and would accept I it there

nottheengineer,

It has to be more sophisticated than that. Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

It probably checks your answer against the current model’s best guess and if it’s close enough, you get a pass and your input is added to the training data for the next iteration. The more wrong you are, the more challenges you get.

Takios,

Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

I do that and as long as it’s not too outlandish it lets me through.

boredtortoise,

Isn’t it normal to get something like 6 challenges?

And suddenly one of them has new slow loading images which you won’t notice before clicking continue, thus failing

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The most I got at once was around 21 I think. But twice I did such number without passing.

I should finally look at one of those automated captcha solver extensions for Firefox. I know some are more accurate than humans anyway.

Johanno,

Oh I usually get the green checkmark without any captcha.

It depends on the website you are visiting, whether you are loged in on Google and how much cookies you allow and a lot more. Also using Chrome may help because it collects more data.

Sometimes loging out of Google also helps.

jmcs,

It doesn’t really matter, they don’t expect you to get everything right on these. While most of the time you need to get mostly right (Google is using these to train their AI so often they are not sure themselves), they are also looking at other things, like how you move your mouse, and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human. If you pass a certain threshold they let you through, and you can do it even if you miss a square.

mnglw,

I use a trackball mouse for disability reasons. I have to actively slow my cursor movement to a crawl and deliberately slowly click each square otherwise I fail captcha’s

it’s infuriating

DigitalPaperTrail,

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  • Cruxifux,

    Nah, you’re a robot man. We caught you.

    Flabbergassed,
    @Flabbergassed@artemis.camp avatar

    I'm Kilroy.

    Tetsuo,

    A bot trying to solve the captcha would be very fast so it makes sense that they block fast solvers.

    anyhow2503,

    A bot would be exactly as fast as possible, while staying below the detection threshold.

    nottheengineer,

    These things feel like they are made by microsoft. You click somewhere, wait 3-10 seconds and then you can click again.

    Droechai,

    Just use a click delay program between press and input, maybe with a physical on/off switch on a dedicated keyboard next to the mouse together with other necessary keys (like the one button switch between EN and SE layouts or the Memory Cache Dump Key)

    jmcs,

    That’s what a bot would say /s

    But you’re right, the UX sucks, and there are other ways to detect and limit bots that don’t impact legitimate users as much - but Google needs to train their AI, and developers need to cargo cult stuff.

    DessertStorms,
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human

    which is why I assume, as a VPN user who rejects as many cookies as possible, I constantly have to do 5-6 fucking captchas in a row, sometimes more, before it'll let me through.. I can't be that bad at doing them lol

    Is it frustrating? Fuck yeah. Will it get me to change my behaviour and drop those measures so that the companies getting in my way can collect more of my data? Fuck no.

    Inductor,

    Have you tried using an automatic CAPTCHA solver (e.g. Buster)?

    DessertStorms,
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    No, will give it a look, thanks

    Pika,

    I will have to look into this as well

    null,

    Yup, as soon as I moved to a privacy-focused browser, pi-hole, and VPN, I started getting a ton more captchas and they had many more in a row.

    I consider it a badge of honor.

    veroxii,

    I also started getting way more once I moved from chrome to Firefox.

    Malfeasant,

    I had one of the old fashioned distorted text ones the other day, but instead of something like “please enter the text above” it just said “are you human?” next to the text box. Naturally, I typed “yes” but that turned out to be the wrong answer.

    raptir,

    The correct answer is “or are you dancer?”

    Slow,

    I hate these captcha. You look at the picture, the edge of the traffic light or the motorcycle goes outside the box. You decide to click on the square where this tiny part of the image is and the message “This is incorrect!”.

    Captcha without images from Cloudflare is even more infuriating. The so-called “Connection reliability check” takes quite a long time and this captcha appears often.

    Jimmycrackcrack,

    In my experience the least thorough interpretation seems to be the most accepted.

    shiveyarbles,

    Yeah sometimes I’m like, well that’s a moped, does it count as a motorcycle?

    DesolateMood,

    I find that whatever your snap judgment is will be the correct answer, so basically yes the moped usually counts as a motorcycle

    SuperSpruce,

    My big interest right now is motorcycles yet I still recently failed a motorcycle captcha

    UnspecificGravity,

    Most of these were trained/tested using third world labor on mechanical turk. It actually helps to approach the problem from that understanding:

    “Would a person who speaks English as a second language and who is getting paid less than a penny to decide, call this a motorcycle?”

    Dude needs to answer about a million of those to make money, so he’s not overthinking it, your knee-jerk answer is probably right.

    CarterDarter,

    They do that on purpose, as an AI/Bot wouldn’t hesitate.

    Sometimes I’ll be stuck on a captcha because I’m answering too fast, so I’ll wait a delay then hit the answer and suddenly it stops going in circles

    Kedly,

    I thought the reason is they want to see the limits of what a human considers qualify as answer to their question in order to better train their AI?

    Edit: Although I guess nothing is stopping the answer from being Porque No los Dos?

    CarterDarter,

    I mean it could absolutely be both. There’s assumedly a lot that goes into these algorithms and most of it we will never know for sure, just make educated speculation lol

    Holzkohlen,

    They must have increased the difficulty at one point cause I ain’t kidding, I cannot solve them anymore. I swear to god I donit correctly but it never works.

    Brickhead92,

    01001000 01101001 00100000 01100110 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100010 01101111 01110100

    EddoWagt,

    Same, I had to login to steam by solving one of these and I just couldn’t… Not sure why it’s so difficult all of a sudden

    Takios,

    That could happen when the system has already flagged you as unwanted traffic. It just keeps giving you Captchas to solve until you eventually give up voluntarily.

    LameName3000,

    I started half-assing these a long time ago because they never fail anyway.

    Amazinghorse,

    The test isn’t the panels you click on, it tracks how your mouse pointer moves. Bots or robots tend to move in straight lines, whereas with humans, the pointer moves in a more random fashion. That’s how you pass.

    intensely_human,

    !??

    Sidyctism,

    Most of the time, it works if you just select the 3 most fitting ones

    ch00f,

    It’s actually checking your mouse movement to see if it looks natural or robotic. You can get a few wrong and it’ll still pass you.

    someguy3,

    Oh is that why there’s no shift click ability?

    Sidyctism,

    How does that work with touchscreens though? Since you arent dragging your mouse across the screen. Does it then fully fall back on the pictures?

    ch00f,

    It might fall back on the actual images in that instance. Captchas are a lot more advanced now. The ones where you just click “I am not a robot” use cookies to track your browser history and make sure it looks organic. Identifying images alone has gotten too easy.

    CoolerOpposide,
    @CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net avatar

    These are actually checking if you are a bot btw, so to pass them more quickly just don’t move like a bot would. Do shit a bot wouldnt do like clicking and unclicking something, swirl your cursor around the screen, etc.

    Also answer these kind of wrong to fuck with AI

    kofe,

    Chaotic good?

    Pazuzu,

    Try the audio captcha, those seem to have actual valid answers to them.

    Funny enough, there’s an extension that solves captchas by feeding that audio through a speech recognition algorithm. If anything it’s more reliable than solving them manually

    Zerush,
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yes, Buster Captcha Solver extension (in GitHub, Firefox, Chromium), but there are novadays also several others, which works in all type of capchas, using AI. Because of this, Captchas are obsolet since years, turning simply in annoying clickbaits. They can’t avoid bots anymore.

    Amends1782,

    It makes me sad its not under active dev anymore. Last update to Firefox DEC 2022

    Zerush,
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Well, but still works fine in reCaptchas (these are also not updated since a long time) I think it’s still valid, if you don’t use it frequently. If not, as said before, there are several alternatives which work with AI,

    MonkderZweite,

    Yeah, had to adapt my patterns so i don’t get always flagged as bot.

    Imgonnatrythis,

    I stress about the whole damn pole. If you showed me a picture of a traffic 🚦 on pole, and asked me what it was, I would say “a traffic light” not “a traffic loght and a traffic light pole”

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Those fire hydrants will haunt me in nightmares

    Rambi,

    Especially because the answers to these captchas are used to train self driving car AI, so if you fuck it up the self driving cars will crash and you will have blood on your hands :/

    NutWrench,
    @NutWrench@lemmy.ml avatar

    This is what “AI training” looks like, folks. The companies developing AI constantly tells us how awesome it is, but it still needs the help of humans to recognize basic sh*t like cars, buses, crosswalks and traffic lights. They didn’t choose those images by accident.

    doublepepperoni,
    @doublepepperoni@hexbear.net avatar

    I keep expecting blurry images of protestors or human shaped blobs huddling behind cover with some kind of crosshair over them

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