VolunTerry,

Fuck Apple.

ExtremeDullard, (edited )
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This is where you clearly see Apple is all about privacy posturing and not much about actual privacy.

If they really cared about their customers’ privacy, they would require notification servers registered with APN to push notifications encrypted with a key that only the recipient apps have the private key to. This would be true end-to-end encryption, and Apple would only relay encrypted notifications across, enabling them to deny all subpoenas and any kind of snooping requests from law enforcement on the simple basis that they plain can’t even decode the notifications in the first place.

The very fact that they do have access to the notifications in clear-text is undeniable evidence that they actively want and do collaborate with law enforcement.

Meaning Apple’s stance on privacy is utter BS - something anybody with a modicum of critical thinking suspected from the start, but now the evidence is crystal-clear.

Pantherina,

Wooow, and what compensation do all the people get that where harmed by this?

narc0tic_bird,

I mean they can’t exactly ignore the law, can they?

I’m not sure how newsworthy this whole topic is, but apparently it sets some people off, so it generates clicks if nothing else.

gomp,

I’m not sure how newsworthy this whole topic is

It’s right there in the first paragraph:

Apple will now require […] in a shift from the previous practice of accepting a subpoena to hand over data.

VolunTerry,

There is barely any rule of law left in the West.

Also, the type of law you are talking about ≠ morality or justice. That ship sailed long ago.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Apple will now require a court order or search warrant to give push notification data to law enforcement in a shift from the previous practice of accepting a subpoena to hand over data.

A subpeana is a court order so that’s clear as mud.

gomp,

A subpeana is a court order so that’s clear as mud.

www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/…/index.html

MagneticFusion,

once again apple marketing making it SEEM like they care about your privacy

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

So. What do you suggest they in practice?

ReversalHatchery,

Not lying that they are improving the privacy of users would be a good start

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

But what should they specifically do in this case to improve the situation - got any actual suggestions?

MagneticFusion,

they can push a new TOS to the app store mandating that push nitifs be handled the same way signal handles them.

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Signal sends notifications via Apple's push notification servers. So I'm still not quite clear what are suggesting. That apps run continuously in the background. each doing real-time polling of their respective servers for notifications? Because your battery ain't going to last long.

MagneticFusion,

the way signal and some privacy friendly apps do it is they send a blank notif first to wake up the app and then send the notif directly to you

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

That sounds like a cracking idea, the suggestion is that something in Apple's ToS prevents this generally - but is that the case, if Signal manages it?

ReversalHatchery,

No, I don’t have any suggestion for how should Apple circumvent laws. But if they can’t improve on it, they shouldn’t lie that they did so.

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Hang on - what exactly did they lie about?

hemko,

They’re lying about many things, such as their respect for privacy, right to repair, sustainability, what else. Oh they’ve lied about use of slave labor if I recall correctly

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

So rather that talking in generalities what specific lies have they told about respect for privacy?

hemko,

Took me 5 seconds to find the first lie on their website

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/6ae443d6-16ff-4c38-a01c-849b6f70bae0.png

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

That’s a claim. You haven’t given any tangible evidence that it’s a lie, you just talk in handywavy generalities

hemko, (edited )

This article is a clear evidence. If Apple cared, they’d not send sensitive messages in clear text they can just hand over to pigs

Anyways, are you paid to shill for apple?

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

No, the article is clear evidence that they are imperfect - not that they don't generally care about user privacy. In general the work they have done on privacy has been pretty good. Apple mandating end-to-end encryption might be something that they sholuld have done - and that's a reasonable criticism, but it looks like it is possible for individual app makers to encrypt their notifications: . There's syill the metadata, of course.

If I am being paid to shill for Apple they are being particularly tardy with their payments. But to answer your question, no - I'm a user who is privacy conscious and thinks Apple does a reasonable job.

I am, however always interested in knowing about where they are falling down so I can mitigate. General handy wavy accusations don't really help me practically - or indeed anyone.

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