Reddit was/is first come first serve (not exactly sure how it is now post-mod-strike). Whoever started a sub “owns” the sub. Any sub could choose to lick boots or talk shit for or against any company. The site admins would rarely if ever step in.
It’s essentially the same with lemmy but each instance’s admins will set their own rules for when to step in. It doesn’t really matter because a company could (and honestly probably should) start their own instance if they care to control messaging.
Likewise, anyone wishing to be critical of a company can always start their own instance and then they have the final say without worrying about how a particular instance admin might react.
This is one of the built in advantages of federation.
It really feels like !sub should be the default but I get the issue. Different instances. But you’d feel like it would just default to whatever instance you’re already on lol.
The joys of being cradled by tech monoliths then going back to the stone age.
You’re telling me I have to type in the entire address!?!?!
I only filter by subbed and (to not miss) also wanna see all the tech news I can get so I will sub to multiple.
I would like a design like crossposting but instead of either or the other make it a feature.
With your feedback in my mind I’d propose this idea:
Share the discussion as a user to another community like crossposting. As a visitor/browser of the communitx it was posted on, you can now set a switch to either see all content discussed by all communities in one post (and somehow federated to all other instances) or filter by a specific one because one instance is always the toxic one.
If a mods decides it doesnt fit, he doesnt delete/take down the post but instead defederates the instance from this one post.
With that design it should combat spam posting the same post as it can’t be spoofed.
It would also respect user blocked instances.
Sort of a federated post in the fediverse.
I don’t know how that would be solved in lemmy nor the fediverse protocol but it sounds plausible as a standout feature.
I keep my subscription proxied through Piped, and I back it up when I change my subs. Also if you create an account on one of the Piped instance you get an RSS feed of your subscriptions.
Hopefully all the different clients will soon support good blocking. With connect for android I can block instances and keywords, but I most just continually block on a community basis what I don’t want to see from All. I’m sure there are hundreds in there. This keeps it quite relevant for me but I’m still in the flow of seeing new subs. I do subscribe to all the ones I really like.
So it’s a curation process, but a more active one vs trying to hunt subs down like I used to do with Reddit.
I do have to worry about federation of my instance mods decide to have a feud with another instance where I subscribe to subs. Also the UI is wonky for linking to different instances, like I’m never logged in when clicking on a link to a different instance. It’s just very crude right now. Plus discovery is kind of a pain, topics get spread over different instances…
Sure. I was looking for a local instance that would be less usdefaultism, understanding that I would probably subscribe to general communities. 🤣😂
I couldn’t find anything on join-lemmy that was helpful but happened on a comment by sometime trying me to go to the fediverse site for helpful stuff. I found an instance lemmy.podycust.co.uk and tried to join that. I recall that it went reasonably and I entered my email address.
Shortly after I found I couldn’t log on. The page just gave the spinning-wait indicators. That instance was disappeared from join-lemmy and I had to go through the same process for another instance.
lemmy.tedomum.net was selected and I joined that. Shortly after that was declared verboten and removed from join-lemmy. I’m not picking these at random and with low user counts. I am directed.
Third time lucky. I found another one that’s accepting logon for three days in a row.
I do accept that Lemmy is Alpha and things change but the Devs are systematically removing email addresses and other sources of help from the join-Lemmy . Unironically they are stating that the first point of help is a sub on lemmy which is no fcuking use if you can’t log on and well used stable instances are being removed from the join-Lemmy listing because they are well used. Just look at the difflog on GitHub. People are trying to join these instances because they are going through the same pain that I am.
There’s no real world WhatsApp or Telegram etc group published for normal people. Most people don’t know matrix exists. I don’t like WhatsApp or Telegram but that’s the popular choice for groups. Asking for a published popular group resulted in me being told that we don’t have time to help people full stop. I’m not suggesting that the Devs are on a published group for a moment, but that we give a place for users to help themselves.
Meanwhile a whale is backing Nostr. And the apps work.
I reiterate that I understand Lemmy is Alpha but going out of your way to piss off the users and ‘not assisting’ any self help is like inviting Lennart Pottering to tea.
I don't think it's exactly the same on lemmy -- you can't seem to sub to an entire instance, for example -- but there's at least some similar capability.
For instance, I'm on kbin right now, so when I click your user name I go to a kbin version of your lemmy.world profile page: https://kbin.social/u/@SubsAndDubs@lemmy.world. It has the option to block or follow you, which should show your posts in my kbin feed. As far as I know, Lemmy can't do the same with kbin users. I haven't found a way to follow other lemmy users either, except on kbin.
So if your main instances was, say, beehaw.org, you would search for !RedditMigration and you'd see that community pop up in the results. You can subscribe to it that way and it would be in your subs list on beehaw. The same should be true of kbin magazines/communities.
It looks like each community on lemmy has their address posted next to the subscription box, so you can paste it into your lemmy.world search and sub to anything you want regardless which instance it's on.
In theory this is going to work (maybe?) with other fedi services like Mastodon, but I suspect the admins and devs have to build a lot of things, so it may not be around for awhile.
I have contributed to a ton of (free) information that was helpful and didn’t have the heart to delete all my posts that I spent days/months doing. Is there an easy way to bring all those over here?
Well, you could ask the lemmy repost bot to make reposts of all of the subs you’ve posted here, on Lemmy, but ot only takes posts from today and maybe a few days back, reposts them here, and than just carries on reposting from that point on. It doesn’t actually repost retroactively.
Though you could probably speak to the dev that actually runs that instance, maybe he can make a bot mod that does the same, but with users and does it retroactively. It’s worth a shot IMO 🤷.
You can search the Fediverse from one instance using the Magazines tab in Kbin to find places to sub, or sub to communities you find in all feed etc?
This is the first thing. I think this might not always be turning up everything due to the delays with federation. While we might be able to agree that this is good enough, I think another reasonable person can look at this and say that there's room for some technical improvements.
Is the issue to do with the duplication of communities at present
This is the second one. As others have also pointed out, reddit has the same issue so it's not unique to federation (tho this person seems to get hung up specifically on the precise naming to make it federation specific). I think we can adapt the reddit solution (multireddits) to here as well though to solve this (i.e. come up with a scheme for multimagazines).
But I'm not switching between instances
This is the third one, but I think this is not valid. As you say, one can choose to have multiple accounts on other instances, but it's not needed to participate on the other instances. This person says it's their choice to have the other accounts - but then makes a big stink over the effort of having multiple accounts. Like if it's that much trouble then just don't do it.
long term there does need to be tools to allow communities to migrate base from one instance to another
I thought that this might be an issue but actually I raised this point and it wasn't responded to.
The fourth one is that this person seems to consider kbin.social its own distinct platform - which doesn't make sense in light of federation - and seems to prefer centralization in general (despite seeing the good from multiplexing BBSes), but I'm waiting on a response as to why this should be the case. Like what are the specific arguments to prefer centralization to a single server or a single instance?
It does occur to me however that if a paid shill were to try to promote a centralized service over an open source federated one, a way to win folks over might be to present oneself as a highly experienced technical person with direct expeirence in both kinds of systems, but who ultimately prefers centralization and has good technical arguments to back it up, including pointing out flaws or gaps with the existing federated system. And also insist that more people flock to the single overloaded flagship instance, perhaps causing it to overload and die off.
Not saying for sure that this is the case here, but food for thought.
The issue I've noticed first and foremost is that there is more than one identically named group. Don't tell me that rpg@kbin.social, rpg@lemmy.ml, and rpg@foo.bar are different communities. They're identically named communities.
Since lemmy terms a "community" as the same thing as a kbin magazine, but community can also have a more expansive meaning, for clarity I will refer to lemmy magazines and use community in it's more expansive scope.
rpg@foo.bar isn't a real thing obviously but is your standing for an rpg magazine on any other instance.
rpg@lemmy.ml and rpg@kbin.social appear to be two separate magazines, hosted on two difference instances, and owned and moderated by two separate groups of people, but about the same topic - role playing games. If you ignore the instance part of the name, then they have identical names - which makes sense because they cover the same topic.
There is a UX issue on kbin where the instance part of the name is hidden, but there are also kbin styles that fix this.
Getting fixated on the identical name part is getting hung up over a minor technicality. Remember that reddit has a similar issue with very similarly named subs, where you might have /r/X and then /r/TrueX and /r/XOriginal - something that was encouraged by reddit's own policy, where instead of getting involved with a mod of a sub they would just encourage you to make your own sub.
I'd rather have as false positive of a gun user's instance with threads about rocket-propelled grenades, rather than having to go to each group to browse
I think this is legitimate. This was solved on reddit with multireddits but kbin doesn't have an equivalent yet.
If devs and leaders of the ActivityPub community are going to continue pushing the idea that everyone can talk to everyone else, we absolutely need some form of community merging for identically-named communities. For instance, a kbin.social user should be able to subscribe to cooking and see posts from cooking@. , not just cooking@kbin.social. That's a UX issue just as much as a technical one.
Good point. Even if kbin/lemmy don't support it, maybe we can get multimagazines working first at say an app level (like in Artemis).
Don't tell me to just use the "subscribed" view. That doesn't pick up everything in a topic, nor does it help me to find those - again, identically named - communities on other servers.
I wouldn't as that's not what that view is for. You want to view a multimagazine that covers a given topic like rpg rather than see your own subscriptions.
Whenever a new server comes online with an RPG community, they'll be in their own corner.
They can participate as foreigners with another group, but that's not theirs.
They can go as far as to mod magazines in another instance. How are they thus foreigners? This is the point of federation - that equal standing to view, post, contribute, moderate, etc across instances.
If there was a server set up just to host groups, and the rest were for users, that would make sense.
From a centralized, non-federated point of view.
There's no central place for hosting these communities.
Because there is no need for that. I'd point to the example of r/blind - they continue to maintain their sub on reddit but officially the community is also available on their own lemmy instance as well as through their own website. One community, but not centralized anywhere.
I did that back in the day, joining forums and setting up a personal homepage with frames. In theory anyone can join any group, but they have to find it first.
With federation, you don't have to go that far. Communicating across instances works automatically and you only need one account to do so, as opposed to creating a new account on each forum.
I immediately grew tired, trying to find all of the communities related to my interests so I can subscribe to all.
I'd recommend you check out some of the older posts on @RedditMIgration as there are lots of links to community (not magazine but community in the broader sense) run websites that try to solve this by listing all of the magazines on instances.
This is probably simpler and more fruitful than searching manually.
To get all of your mail from multiples, you had to connect to each of the servers in sequence, download your mail, and then read it offline and reply
Multiplexing meant that you could have a BBS in the NYC area, it would be able to contact and download from one in, say, PA or wherever, and they could each download threads and messages, aka federated content.
Then I'd argue that the fediverse looks more like the multiplexed BBS. I mean, federated is literally in the name. We don't have the pain that comes from using non-multiplexed BBSes here.
You're right, except in cases where I want a different psudonymity; my choice.
No, I'm still right in this case. Your alts can still take advantage of federation and subscribe to magazines on other instances and reply and so forth.
In this case, I can't check for new posts in, continuing with the same example, rpg@. without checking the group from each federated server.
No, not true. That also applies in the "original" case (where you only have one account in the fediverse). This is the multimagazine/multireddit thing already touched upon above. That's legit, but let's assume for the sake of argument these three points: 1) there is a working version of Artemis (the kbin app), 2) it supports multimagazines, 3) there's a json format from the websites that list magazines that can be imported into Artemis to automatically generate a multimagazine for the user that's local to the smartphone.
The above problem is solved, as you can use that Artemis, passing it the magazing listing website, and get a multimagazine set up with all the different RPG magazines. Maybe Artemis even supports optionally autoreloading so as new RPG magazines are setup (either in new instances, or someone makes a /m/TrueRPG on an instance that already has /m/rpg) your multimagazine is automatically updated.
Posts are neither mirrored nor transcluded.
They are to the instances. Some people are going farther and trying to mirror articles between different magazines using bots. However, I kind of feel the multimagazine feature would be enough to check this box.
That's the point I'm getting at. I should be able to just open up m/rpg and have it cover all compatible groups.
We're not there yet, but it's also not too far off.
That said, I find your view that multimagazines are essential to be interesting. I only first heard about multireddits only after I'd permanently parted ways with reddit.
There's still chaos in terms of instances and softwares.
This is actually a good thing. Monoculture is bad, diversity is good.
Until we all settle on one software that does the job, and until we have a way to have a single community again,
Too easy for a single disease to wipe things out in that case.
Reddit remains the superior option
Where one can be permabanned at random, with a non-functional appeals process where it's virtually impossible to get ahold of an actual human? Where you can have the ownership of your sub that you spent years working on seized and taken away and handed over to someone else?
I'd argue that reddit has a different disease, and it's showing why both centralization and monoculture are bad (third party apps being killed off because they never supported anything but reddit itself is an example of the latter).
There is only one r/RPG, it works on Highlander rules - there can be only one.
You're kidding, right? How many subs in reddit have RPG in the name and actually broach the same topic? r/rpg_gamers , r/RPGdesign, r/TabletopRPG, r/StrateyRpg, r/RPGCreation, r/solorpgplay? This last one doesn't have rpg in the name, but - r/Solo_Roleplaying?
If you are really going to push that reddit only has one sub for the role playing game community, then I'm going to need you to explain to me in detail how each of the above subs is different from r/RPG and from each other, and why they are a separate community from any other sub with rpg in the name.
How many groups in the Fediverse named m/RPG or c/RPG are there? Why must each user be forced to answer that question?
Dunno, but how many subs in reddit that have rpg in the name are there? Why must each redditor be forced to answer that question? (The answer to the second is they don't need to answer that question at all - either on reddit or on the fediverse.)
I got ADHD so I enjoy a lot of things, top of them are reading, drawing, writing, learning English and Japanese and various IT/tech tinkering.
I‘m working in SAP, though I see that only as a means to sustain myself and conform, but I refuse to see the work as part of my being or personality. I try to be pleasant and funny IRL, which I‘m told works well, but on the inside I‘m a depressed mess. I try to work on that in therapy, but it‘s not super effective for me. Well it helped a bit, as I now have more of a "try to find joy in little things" attitude, but the doom is still all there.
Online, I‘m mostly to offload some of my darker thoughts on the world, which haunt me if I don‘t let them out occasionally. Reddit was my main outlet for that as it had a large variety of "doomer" subs, now I got unleashed on the fediverse, right now looking for some anti-corporate instance or maybe something anarchist to fit into.
Wow. Honestly this makes me seriously contemplate my move to Lemmy. I thought lemmy.world was at least a free speech endorsing server. So now we have the two biggest Lemmy instances out there that are clearly against free speech. Lemmy.ml is moderated by pro CCP mods that remove anything anti-china, and lemmy.world can't even tolerate a sub about conspiracy theories (which we should all know have a tendency of coming true the past few years) and is therefore already starting with stifling free speech.
Yeah, go start your own instance... Not everyone wants to run their own instance just to be able to browse communities on other instances that your current instance doesn't agree with.
Yeah... This is really putting a sour taste in my mouth about Lemmy already.
You do realize that conspiracy is far more than qanon stuff, right? It was an interesting sub to read from time to time on Reddit.
And yeah, I get "just run your own instance", but not everyone wants to deal with their own instance just to be able to freely browse communities without random censorship. I was hoping Lemmy wouldn't be that way. Don't know what it is about some people being so unable to tolerate opposing views from their own...
Im joining in on the reddit ditching thing, and was kinda worried at first that i wouldnt be able to like use it the way i did reddit as it feels like a whole new place, but after engaging with posts and people and actually being a part of lemmy rather than being lurk mode all the time i was pleasantly surprised with how easy it...
All this fragmentation will reduce the adoption for sure. No one wants to write to a sub filled with 5 people while another is filled with 5k people. We should adopt one new fresh instance and make it our main, and point people coming from reddit to this new instance.
Hi there! I pretty much have the same question. Probably also a question for the selfhosted sub if it already arrived here.
I‘m thinking of hosting a lemmy instance, peertube and a minecraft server, the latter of which are very resource intensive and I‘m told I should look for „dedicated“ vcpus. Which drives the cost up considerably.
Looking at hetzner rn but 3 vpus (1 for minecraft, 1 for peertube, 1 for everything else) is quite steep imo.
greetings everyone, there’s already >3.5k members here, not all of them are active obviously, but there are still a lot of posts on this sub, and even more comments, i can’t really meticulously go through each and every one of them...
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This is the year, guys. (i.imgur.com)
Forgive me, but… (lemmy.ml)
It’s my hope to see unity and cohesion is the Lemmy-verse. Looks like asklemmy@lemmy.ml has over 39k subscribers....
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Oh no ... (jlai.lu)
Let's decentralize the web together. (articlesgallery8543.blogspot.com)
Any Nostr ppl here?
Been hearing a little about Nostr. Apparently it’s a protocol?...
Reddit exodus - Using Lemmy from my existing Mastodon (vijayprema.com)
Many are turning to Lemmy as a viable Reddit alternative. Here is how to use your existing Mastodon account with Lemmy.
Is there an easy way to bring all my old technical posts from Reddit to Lemmy?
I have contributed to a ton of (free) information that was helpful and didn’t have the heart to delete all my posts that I spent days/months doing. Is there an easy way to bring all those over here?
People in /r/redditalternatives are talking about a "Reddit 2.0" What website would fill that role? (kbin.social)
On Reddit at reddit.com/r/redditalternatives, people are talking about a "Reddit 2.0." What do you suggest?
I don’t understand people who say they can’t figure out Lemmy or KBin
Does federation have a bit of a learning curve? No doubt....
It would be cool to have Lemmy pen pals. Asklemmy, what are your hobbies and what's your life like?
I posted something similar before, but it did not gain too much traction, possibly due to time zones....
Server rules - am I missing something? (i.imgur.com)
I was glancing through the mod log and saw these two entries. Conspiracy theory communities were both removed for violating rule #3....
How has ur lemmy experience been so far?
Im joining in on the reddit ditching thing, and was kinda worried at first that i wouldnt be able to like use it the way i did reddit as it feels like a whole new place, but after engaging with posts and people and actually being a part of lemmy rather than being lurk mode all the time i was pleasantly surprised with how easy it...
How much resources does Lemmy need?
I will rent a v-server today with those specs: 2 CPU cores, 4GB RAM, 80GB disk space...
Welcome to Programmer Humor
This is a place where you can post jokes, memes, humor, etc. related to programming!...
/c/privacy is looking for moderators
greetings everyone, there’s already >3.5k members here, not all of them are active obviously, but there are still a lot of posts on this sub, and even more comments, i can’t really meticulously go through each and every one of them...