Chewy7324

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How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?

I was going through Pine64’s page again after I found the latest KDE announcement. With that said, I seem to see a lot of issues with firmware on the Pine, whilst the Librem is just plain out of budget for me. Was interested in how many people here run a Linux mobile as a daily driver, and how has your experience been?...

Chewy7324,

My bank disagrees that SMS tan is secure enough 2FA and doesn’t support it.

Chewy7324,

Performance and bugs might still be a problem with these relatively young projects. But if all you need is a browser I do believe it might be worth a shot.

In the EU 2FA for banking is required by law which usually comes down to either an Android/iOS app or a chipTAN device. That’s why browser isn’t an option for me. Sadly I don’t think waydroid passes the basicIntegrity check of AOSP [1], so emulation is out of the picture too.

[1] grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps

Chewy7324,

There has to be a device to develop support for calling. Since there’re multiple open source phone projects it’s also not simple to just write an implementation for them. Additionally carriers don’t work all the same (different bands, …), so it’s really not easy to solve with the few resources available. As far as I know much of the development on these phone OS is done by volunteers and pine64 isn’t a big established company either.

Chewy7324,

I’ve bought a Nexus 4 to play around with Ubuntu Touch many years ago, but I really don’t think I could daily drive even a more powerful Linux phone. Many apps from messengers to banking apps are Android/iOS only, so it’d be really inconvenient to use — not to mention problems with calling and a not-so-great camera.

Almost all things I want to do on a phone are possible with a Pixel + GrapheneOS, which also makes an open source, secure and private phone OS.

Usually ssh’ing into a server through termux is all I need, altough it’d be cool to be able to plug my phone into a monitor and have a desktop with me all the time. But it being “cool” is the problem, as it’s not useful day to fay for me. If I need a pc I’ll take my laptop. I’ll probably try it at some point, but that’s many years into the future.

Chewy7324,

I haven’t played for a year or two, but Xonotic doesn’t have many concurrent player for most of the day. I believe lobbies filled around evening/night UTC±0, iirc.

Chewy7324,

Iirc it’s a thing for hotels to not have a room number 13.

Chewy7324,

It’s great to see to what lengths Microsoft goes to keep backwards compatibility. Compared to how a minor glibc update broke Linux apps without much warning. Without supporting legacy workflows I don’t think Microsoft would’ve had the market share they have today.

Chewy7324,

Fortnite uses both BattleEye and EAC, so it’s at least multiple clicks, depending on the implementation even more.

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In my experience updates aren’t that big. The flatpak cli ux is just confusing to read how much data actually has to be downloaded because of deduplication.

Chewy7324,

Additionally, companies doing business in the US also follow US laws. If they don’t, they could still be sued overseas (or stop doing business over there).

Chewy7324,

There’re discussions to drop the X11 backend with the release of GTK 5. That’s still many years away and I really don’t think there’ll be much of reason left to use X11 by this point.

What is actually still missing for Wayland?

  • Absolute placement of multiple windows for some scientific applications (multi-process, multi-window apps are places arbitrarily on Wayland atm, excluding compositor specific solutions).
  • Proper colour management support
  • VRR working while the cursor is shown. Needs hardware cursor (?) support in the kernel and drivers. FPS games usually don’t show cursor, so VRR works in the games which benefit the most from it.

Both are likely to get fixed in the coming years and are pretty niche.

Obviously I’m excluding compositor specific issues, like VRR, server-side decorations and global shortcuts not being implemented on Gnome. Generally they would work, if implemented.

Chewy7324,

It definitely receives more clicks. I’ve posted this link here a day ago, but arstechnicas title is more engaging. My first thought was whether there’s been another vulnerability found.

That said, this headline isn’t as bad as it could’ve been.

Chewy7324,

Agreed. People should learn to read PKGBUILDs, but given how popular Arch(-based) distributions are, I do think many people won’t bother. Afterall, many people download random things all the time.

Chewy7324,

Just verify

requires basic programming knowledge or at least some time to get familiar with PKGBUILDs, and then they have to take the time to read it.

Yes, I agree people should at least look up where it loads data from, but people are lazy.

Chewy7324,

I guess it can be assumed that a good number of people read the PKGBUILDs, so at some point malware would be found. A peer-reviewing system would give people a false sense of security, since the AUR is a user repository, where breakage should be expected (compared to the official repos).

Chewy7324,

You’re right, a peer-review system would be a net positive. Should updates be reviewed before publishing? This means updates take longer to arrive.

Chewy7324,

You mean asdf isn’t a good title? /s

Chewy7324,

[…] you can now set a shortcut to move entire workspaces to another display as well.

Awesome! This makes working with multiple workspaces on multiple monitors so much better. For some reason it’s missing on all DE’s/OS I’ve tried and only found on some tiling compositors like sway and hyprland.

Linux 6.6.6 has also been released, bringing about the end of days, raining fire upon the lands, and setting in motion a new era some may call: 2024. May the cosmic entities save us all.

Great to see the beastly Linux kernel being acknowledged. Happy Holiday!

Chewy7324,

It seems multiple Linux distributions are considering to update their x86-64 baseline architecture. This could improve performance, at the cost of hardware compatibility.

…nixos.org/…/pre-rfc-gradual-transition-of-nixos-…

Chewy7324,

The problem is to find those german trackers.

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This is great and already used on some distros like NixOS for many services. Regular users won’t notice this change.

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D-Bus is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another. In addition to interprocess communication, D-Bus helps coordinate process lifecycle; it makes it simple and reliable to code a “single instance” application or daemon, and to launch applications and daemons on demand when their services are needed.

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