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Any guesses about the comment you replied to was created by a bot or not?

CosmicCleric, (edited )
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I am technically less than 49.999999999 bot.

Take that as you will.

That’s exactly what a bot would say.

(I kid, I kid. Er, I think.)

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Bottles is great, and it puts links in for you into Steam, so you can launch the games directly from inside the Steam client.

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most mmo

I play WoW, SWTOR, and New World just fine.

Which MMOs were you thinking about?

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How long?

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But the vast majority of events, when humans are involved, leave long aftereffects usually. Yes, not 100% of the time, but usually.

Nobody said otherwise, you’re arguing with strawmen’

Yes, they have. They’ve used it as a reason why a binary search would not work, that the event duration would be too short to be detectable.

And that’s not a strawman, that’s making my point, that its not just the event, but the aftereffects of the event, that makes a binary search possible.

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Anything undetectable by humans would still be useless to AIs. A bit a smoke? Could have been a gunshot 3 minutes ago, could have been a cigarette, could be fog, could be a vape.

Actually, an AI could determine the difference between those, based on shape, location, and opacity, etc.

At that point, just feed the entire video to the AI and have it tell you when it sees guns or puffs of smoke or hears screams.

Is there a point where one technique works better than another technique? Sure. I’m not arguing that. But if you’re dealing with a very long time, you’d still want to do a binary search first.

Binary search is useless when you can just have a machine watch the entire video in one sitting over the course of five seconds and tell you when the interesting thing happens.

Depends on how long that tape is, which is what was being originally discussed by the OP.

A binary search assisted by AI in determining the point in the tape where the effect happened quickly is still a very fast way of doing so (assuming the tape duration is very long), as alluded by others in other topic trees in this topic.

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You would have to be confident that said change in environment was done by the bike thief.

Well, the change would happen, the human will be noticed, and then they can watch that moment in time on the tape to see who did it. The binary search would be about shortening what portions of the video tape a human/AI would have to review manually.

It might be better to use some software to remove any frame of video that is identical to the one before it, no motion is taking place, etc. then manually watch the much shorter video of “only when stuff happens.”

So, I hope you’re not under the impression that I’m advocating binary search as the ONLY way of doing a search. I’m just staying within the confines of the subject as brought up by the OP, which was about binary searches.

At the end of the day its about detecting the change/aftereffect, and not the search inandof itself. A binary search just helps you narrow down the video you have to watch manually, especially when there’s allot of it to review.

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Actually, an AI could determine the difference between those, based on shape, location, and opacity, etc.

Lmao now I know you’re fucking with me

Yeah lemme spend three weeks training this AI on the difference between gunsmoke, cigarette smoke, vapes, and fog in this specific alley. Oh, y’all already found the killer because someone just watched the video? Well my point stands, the AI could do it faster

Once it’s trained

In another week

Oh shit, it thought that guy’s cell phone was a gun. See you in another month!

Um, I was being completely serious. Having AI determine shapes/opaqueness is a simple matter for it. And I’m assuming the training would already be done before the event happens, over time.

You don’t think crime forensics labs won’t be training AI to do these kind of detections going forward? Really?

(Maybe its a matter of people not truly grocking what AI will do and how it will change things, going forward. /shrug)

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Having an AI search for shapes an opaqueness is still totally useless for a binary search if those semi-opaque shapes happen for 10 minutes 34 minutes into an hour long video

Well one of those shapes would happen at the time of the event though, so it’s not useless. One of those would be a gunshot smoke, and could be flagged for review.

Again, you’d just feed the whole video to an AI, you wouldn’t have it do a binary search

One day, when computers and AI are powerful enough, this will be the answer, but even then I would like to think behind the scenes they would use a binary search to speed up the processing time.

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The time of the event doesn’t necessarily coincide with any of the times that you’re checking. That’s the whole point of looking for visual cues.

But one of them potentially will though. A gun firing leave smoke behind.

Even if there’s other smoke in the video, you’re looking at 5 minutes of a 24-hour video, and not scanning through 24 hours of a video manually. And an AI could use a binary search to find any moments of smoke (or not). Not saying it’s a one-size-fits-all solution, just one very important tool in a toolbox.

I don’t mean to be rude, but I’m exhausted talking about this topic, and so if you don’t mind, I’m just going to bail at this point.

Thanks for keeping it civil.

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I’ve been wrong in arguments before, it feels awful. The best things to do are either address the misunderstanding in the original comment, or not engage with anyone else who feels like arguing more.

Well, I’m not wrong, so I don’t worry awful it from that angle. Just feel that people are not arguing/conversing in good faith.

The misunderstanding of others assuming differently than I was discussed elsewhere in the comment thread. To reiterate, I believe my assumptiion is the correct one based on how the world is, and not hypotheticals.

As far as not arguing more, it gets to a point of where some moderation should be happening, because its pretty evident at some people that people are group thinking attacking someone just for the lols if nothing else, and I say that because when I explain why I don’t think I’m wrong they don’t answer my point, but instead just insert their own new points in the conversation.

Otherwise, I feel the need to defend myself, especially when people say I’m saying things I’m not saying. “Standing up to bullies” sort of attitude. It sucks, but Humanity can be assholes sometimes.

I’d really like to stop talking about this now, I’d appreciate you not responding to this comment, unless you really feel the need to. Take care.

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I appreciate you responding kindly, and your thoughts, thank you.

What you’ve actually been communicating is that “If there really was no lasting visual cue, then just find a lasting visual cue anyway, then do a binary search on that and it’ll work!

What I’ve been attempting to communicate, and I think have been expressing that, is that “no lasting visual cue” is not right (most of the time), its incorrect, and that there’s (almost) always a visual cue, and that you can do the binary search because there is. Not maybe, but there is, lasting visual cues (most of the time).

I disagreed with the point being asserted by the comment I initially replied to. I think people are getting hung up on my very initial comment, where I implied instead of being explicive, thinking my assumption was a well known one, just based on how I see the world operate (humans are messy). But how those replied to me seem that its not well known (or just not realized).

In hindsight, I should be more explicive, but that’s a horrible way to have to communicate, like if I have to pass every comment through a lawyer before posting it. You’d think people instead of instantly attacking would just have a conversation about try to understand my assumption. That didn’t come up until WAY later in the conversation tree, and only by a single person. There was way too many comments just attacking me with every hypothetical possiblity just to try and prove me wrong, and that, was wrong of them to do. Its not conversational, its bad group think.

Your message is more than just the words you type.

I was just telling my wife that the other day, its how you say that matters as much as what you say. I’m actually a well spoken person (on a good day at least). I’m honestly going to blame some of the confusion not on me, but on others with their hypotheticals, and confluencing how you scan a video, with how you search for sections of a video to scan, as adding to the confusion.

I hope this message helps clarify the debate and confusion for you and anyone else who stumbles upon this long chain.

Well, I think (saying this in 3rd person) what null was trying to do (gatekeeping censorship by telling others to not read my comments and calling me a troll) is really, really wrong. and bad for Lemmy, and I would have liked to have seen more people call him out on it, but instead he was rewarded with up votes. I truly don’t believe I deserved that, or that ANYBODY deserves that, and that his comment should be moderated.

And only because you mentioned it, I don’t feel confused, I feel anger. Anger over how I’ve been treated. It was just supposed to be a friendly conversation, expressing a counterpoint, and people responded by doing things they would not do in public to another’s face.

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Did that report include in the third world?

CosmicCleric,
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but 10 years ago was actually pretty good for Linux gaming too.

Feels to me like that’s going too far back, to make that statement. I would say the last three/four years, personally.

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Chess is a really good game too

You have to play it in full screen mode though. When you play it windowed the wind keeps knocking the board over.

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They’ve introduced a couple of redirects so that the snap version gets installed.

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Do we really want to be bigger anyway?

YES. It needs more market share to influence companies financially to make products for it.

It’s truly starting to make inroads recently, but it still has a ways to go.

I kind of like where Linux as a desktop isn’t really big enough for all the scammers and malware makers to care.

It’s also not big enough for gaming companies to truly care, unfortunately.

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have done it but they all think they’re the first.

It’s not about the first, it’s about the best.

CosmicCleric,
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Maybe they got thrown back in time against their will, versus being a normal away mission?

CosmicCleric,
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JNCOs

Junior non-com outfits?

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It might not be an away team, but instead they got thrown back in time type of situation, which in that case they would just have their normal outfits.

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I mean it kinda seems like there’s exactly one way to do it. They’re not elaborate costumes by any means, and they’re uniforms so you can’t exactly get creative with it.

Not with the costumes maybe, but with the acting, you definitely can.

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I’m not going to re-buy the same fucking movie I already owned on one streaming platform and have already owned on 2 different formats of physical release.

This is the thing that really pisses me off.

It’s like I’m not paying for the content itself, I’m paying for the media the content is on, over and over again.

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That list of shows that’s being removed is huge too.

God I hope people reconsider purchasing products from companies that do these kind of things to them.

At some point you think if they get smacked up the side of their heads enough times that they will actually wake up and do something about it.

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