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CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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The parent comment said that binary search is useful in situations like bike thefts where visual cues are present, and not useful in situations where visual cues are not present.

Just repeating myself at this point, but I was responding to this (the bolded part) …

Part of my job is to review security footage for reported incidents.

If there is a long-lasting visual cue that the event has or has not happened yet (e.g. a window is either broken or not), then a binary search is very useful.

If the event lasts only a moment and leaves no visual cue (e.g. an assault), then binary search is practically useless.

I disagree with the “leaves no visual cue” part, as I’ve commented on. There’s ALWAYS something caught on the video to help determine things. Maybe not enough, but never nothing.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Time does not need luck.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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but by telling them that you simply have to look for the cues from the hypothetical event that didn’t leave any.

And my point is that the DID leave a clue that a binary search would pick up on, the disappearance of the bike.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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If its all offscreen, then WTF are we bothing to talk about?

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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because they are talking about a hypothetical situation where no visual cues are left.

No, I am not. I’m disagreeing with that, and my comments are stating as much. I’m allowed to disagree with what someone is saying.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Do you.

You do you too, as well.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Exactly.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Yes.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Yes, but, as you noted in an earlier post, that isn’t what you’re responding to.

I keep saying what I’m responding to, but you’re trying to change the narrative of what I’m responding, to as a debate tactic.

Someone uses a debate tactic of mentioning an “one off” and then directing their whole conversation to that one singular point is not intellectually honest in the whole conversation being had.

The fact that you’re wasting this much time trying to defend such a simple error is confusing. The reasonable response is, “oh, yes, in that particular case, binary search is ineffective.”

And you don’t think I can’t tell when a bot network is using what I’ve said back to me for training their AI, and then repeating it right back at me?

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Ok but the text that you replied to, that you quoted, was “If the event lasts only a moment and leaves no visual cue (e.g. an assault), then binary search is practically useless.” Emphasis mine. If you’d started out saying “there’s ALWAYS a visual cue,” then you likely wouldn’t be getting dragged, but you started out arguing from this position without clarifying it, which makes it seem like you didn’t know what you were talking about.

Last time I checked, I’m allow to disagree with a comment someone made, and argue the opposite. Just because they say ‘no visual cue’ does not mean that is no visual cue.

You can’t say that you can simply look for visual cues when the other person specified that there were none.

Why, because you say so? Yes, I can. Of course I can.

Its called “disagreeing” with what the other person is speaking of, and countering. Its a discussion.

CosmicCleric, to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Absolutely not true. Guy walks bye and shoots someone well offscreen. Momentary action with no visual cue before or after. Why are you arguing this useless point?

The person dropping to the ground dead would be the visual cue.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Then you missed the point of this conversation

You’re being intellectually dishonest, in an attempt to kill the message.

This is what was said in the origional OP pic…

You don’t watch the whole thing, he said. You use a binary search. You fast forward to halfway, see if the bike is there and, if it is, zoom to three quarters of the way through. But if it wasn’t there at the halfway mark, you rewind to a quarter of the way though. Its very quick. In fact, he had pointed out, if the CCTV footage stretched back to the dawn of humanity it would probably have taken an hour to find the moment of theft.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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Your adding things that would allow a binary search work, but the question was in a situation where the only evidence is the conflict itself

I’m describing the vast majority of fights that happen in the public. Also, you’re trying to move the goalposts by focusing on a fight, when the discussion is about the theft of a bike.

Edit: One thing we didn’t even mention, AI can also be used these days to notice subtle changes in the video. If a video is a static image of an alley, then two people walk in the alley and fight, even though they leave no traces behind, that moment of the fight is caught on the video with activity/movement. Motion sensor movement, basically.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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You are seriously confused.

And you are seriously trying to kill the messenger.

OP specifically said that you’re fucked if there is no visual cue.

And I’m saying there’s ALWAYS a visual clue/cue, always. Either the bike is there one minute and gone another, or a fight breaks out and trashes the place from the fight. In the vast amount of cases, there’s always a visual difference.

And in this case we’re talking specifically about a bike, going missing.

CosmicCleric, (edited ) to programmer_humor in Programmer tries to explain binary search to the police
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You didn’t get what was talked about here. Re-read the topmost parent comment.

I was responding to this …

Part of my job is to review security footage for reported incidents.

If there is a long-lasting visual cue that the event has or has not happened yet (e.g. a window is either broken or not), then a binary search is very useful.

If the event lasts only a moment and leaves no visual cue (e.g. an assault), then binary search is practically useless.

I disagree with the “leaves no visual cue” part, as I’ve commented on. There’s ALWAYS something caught on the video to help determine things. Maybe not enough, but never nothing.

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