Dead_or_Alive

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Dead_or_Alive,

Pudding in cans was the best, it just tasted better. Juice in glass containers was also amazing. Plastic changes the taste and leaches microplastics into our bodies.

I’m really hoping we as a society get plastic out of our products.

Dead_or_Alive,

Bullshit, there have been multiple attempts at a settlement with regional actors who were sympathetic to the Palestinians. Palestinians turned them all down.

Not a single country in the Middle East has volunteered to take in even a token amount of refugees… Egypt used to control the Sinai and govern that region… nada, zilch, zero refugees allowed to cross into their boarders.

Nobody in the Middle East except Iran wants anything to do with the Palestinians. Iran is only happy to use them to further their regional goals.

Saudi was in the middle of negotiations with Israel before this conflict broke out.

Why is this? Because everyone has tried to negotiate a peace and the Palestinians refuse to come to terms.

Israel is waging total war on Gaza. It’s ugly and civilians will be killed. Nobody is going to stop them because the region wants an end to this conflict one way or another and no one gives a shit about Palestine.

Brutalizing Gaza and driving Hamas out is the only way this is going to be solved.

Dead_or_Alive,

Oooo internet tough guy.

Dead_or_Alive,

Wow that is some amazing mental gymnastics there. I sure do hope you don’t strain yourself with all those logical fallacies you are jumping through.

Dead_or_Alive,

Points to the October attack on Israel.

Total war on Gaza looks pretty damn justified to me.

Dead_or_Alive,

If Hamas is wiped out then yes, that is what total war is.

If Hamas really cared for the people under its authority, it would not have attacked nor would it use them as human shields.

Dead_or_Alive,

Great, but they haven’t accepted any peace plan that was negotiated in the last 40 years so they could stay in their homes.

Instead they choose war.

Dead_or_Alive,

But the current chapter does. Gaza would look a lot different today if the October 7th attack had not happened.

Shit it would look like a fucking paradise if they had taken one of the many two state solution deals they were offered.

Dead_or_Alive,

The Jews were going to end up somewhere after WW2. Their ancestral homeland won out. They also had the backing of major Western powers.

Nations fall and nations rise, such is life. Don’t be on the wrong side of his . Jews all over the Middle East have been pushed out of their communities since Israel was founded. Sucks for them as well, once again don’t be on the wrong side of history.

Dead_or_Alive,

You wouldn’t throw me out of my house. I have guns and state backing.

Dead_or_Alive,

Somewhat similar, but the bottom line is Ukraine is a recognized nation with international backing. Russia attacked them to gain territory. If Ukraine can beat this round of Russian aggression they get to remain a state and regain their lost lands. If they can’t beat the Russians back then it is an entirely different scenario. As much as I want to see them succeed there is a chance they could fail.

Finland also lost a huge chunk of territory to Russia back in the 1940s. They recognized they couldn’t beat back the Russians, struck a deal and moved on. They are now arguably better off than if the choose to continue the fight.

Gaza is not a state, the Palestinians had multiple a chances for statehood and a shot at peaceful prosperity. Instead they choose to continue to fight and commit terrorism. The current state of total war between Israel and Hamas are the consequence of their actions.

Dead_or_Alive,

Does your friend have superior weaponry and the backing of major world powers? If no then he should probably live in peace in modern unified Italy.

Dead_or_Alive,

I’m simply describing the situation in Gaza for what it is, Total War. I’m not advocating for it, but I recognize that Israel is going to respond to October 7 as they see fit.

Would you rather I described it in a way that didn’t hurt your fragile sensibilities?

Dead_or_Alive,

I’ll take “Imaginary things that will never happen” for $500 Alex.

Dead_or_Alive,

The fact that I described the current situation as “Total war”. Seems to offend you. Should I say both sides are making a “fluffy”, would that make you feel better?

Dead_or_Alive,

Sorry it’s been a day between posting and responding. On top of that there are a lot of tools in this thread and it hard to keep every conversation straight.

But in short Israel is a sovereign nation whose citizens were just attacked in a large scale well coordinated manner. They have every right to go after the perpetrators. If total war and the leveling of Gaza is what it takes and they have the ability to execute it then so be it.

Dead_or_Alive,

No just real politik. Nations and people act in their own self interest and influence the world around them to the best of their abilities.

Facism is just stupid.

Dead_or_Alive,

I wouldn’t support the Nazis, but I’d realize they are going to act in their own self interest and influence the world around them to benefit their society to the best of their ability.

Finland realized it could not win fighting the Soviets and ceded territory for peace. I’d say it worked out well for them.

Palestinians have overplayed their hand for forty years and this latest conflict is just the consequence of their own actions.

Dead_or_Alive,

You don’t have to like it. The Palestinians could have made different decisions to prevent the current conflict (like don’t support terrorist organizations who will sneak attack civilians on a holiday as your method of government).

Dead_or_Alive,

No Putin and Hamas are cut from the same cloth. Both are aggressors.

I fully support Ukraine and hope we ship them all the weapons they ask for. I hope they regain all the territory they lost and wipe Russia from the map. But at the same time if they are not able to secure the lands they lost I hope they have sense enough to know when to compromise.

The Palestinian leadership has displayed no such common sense as of yet.

Dead_or_Alive,

Well, New York is American soil, if Terrorists were hiding under a building there I hope our government can surgically remove them. I then hope that our government would glass whatever shit hole those terrorists came from.

Tel Aviv is Israelis territory, it’s response is up to their leadership and the will of populace.

Dead_or_Alive,

Well shut it down boys we’ve gone full circle. Israelis are killing themselves by killing the people responsible for…killing them.

That is perhaps the most convoluted display of mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen.

Dead_or_Alive,

I’ve stated it multiple times in this thread. Here is a copy paste from earlier:

Sucks to be on the wrong side of history. No one wants to loose their communities, property or livelihoods. However the Jews had a claim to the area going back thousands of years and they needed to go somewhere.

There were many Jewish communities across the Middle East prior to the 1940s that no longer exist anymore either. I wonder who pushed them out… do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding heart?

There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Let me know if this is clear enough or if I should draw something with a crayon for you.

Dead_or_Alive,

Yeah chief, the only person quoting Hitler or the Nazi’s in this entire thread is you.

You either have fetishized Nazi’s to a degree that you can’t separate your fetish from reality or you’re just projecting.

Either way you can fuck right off.

Dead_or_Alive,

Thats it, shut it down people, we’ve gone full circle. Israel is killing its own people by killing the people who want to kill them…

Your mental gymnastics deserve a gold medal for that performance.

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