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Nacktmull

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Nacktmull,

You are obviously hallucinating and writing random nonsense, lol

Nacktmull,

lol

Nacktmull,

From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable.

ThatĀ“s an obvious attempt to derail from topic and a weird thing to compare a meme with but I fully agree with the statement itself.

If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, itā€™s on them to mobilize to stop that

What are you organizing to stop the crimes of your government? Would you like to be held responsible for the crimes of your government and itĀ“s military, even if you did not vote for them?

not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion.

Of course not but that criticism should be smart and differentiated. If itĀ“s too generalizing, like this one, it can easily come across as antisemitic.

Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding? I assumed the national flag represents not just the state of a nation but also all of itĀ“s citizens?

Nacktmull,

Pardon? That seems like a baseless accusation, care to elaborate?

Nacktmull, (edited )

Ok, Iā€™ll correct that to ā€˜Israel as a nation casually murders children on a regular basisā€™ to be more accurate then.

Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch ā€œIsrael as a nationā€ with ā€œThe right-extremist government of Israel, itĀ“s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movementā€ please?

Sus af though that you claimed that a meme criticizing Israel as a nation for killing kids was an attack against all Jews

A nation includes all of itĀ“s citizens, so that is a weird argument that seems to have only one goal, to be a killer argument against any critique of antisemitic propaganda against Israel.

How is generalizing all citizens of Israel -who as we know are mainly Jewish people- as casual child murderers not classic antisemitism? Please include in your consideration, that the narrative of child sacrifice and blood libel is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is and put the meme in a context with that fact.

Nacktmull, (edited )

This seems like a derailing attempt but you are touching a point that I strongly feel about. How the western governments and media are spinning a narrative of good Israel vs evil Palestinians is sickening me every day. ItĀ“s obviously just war time propaganda and not journalism. The western politicians constant repetitions of unlimited solidarity with Israel, while at the same time nobody even mentions solidarity with Palestinians is a huge shame for the west and unmasks all claims of moral superiority. This gets even more ridiculous when you compare the body counts of both sides and see that the losses of the Palestinians are always so much higher. Also, Gaza population is super dense so imo every bomb dropped there by IDF equals a war crime. I could go on like this much longer but I think you can get I donĀ“t have a one dimensional view on the conflict.

Nothing of that justifies posting antisemitic memes that call all citizens of Israel child murderers though. LetĀ“s criticize the ones responsible instead, the right-extremist government that is full of racists, their military which bombs civilians and the ultra-nationalist settler movement.

Nacktmull,

Conflating Israelā€™s actions with Judaism as a whole is extremely antisemitic in its own right.

I fully agree with your statement. However, calling out antisemitic propaganda aimed at Israel does not equal doing that imo.

Israelā€™s regime does casually murder children on a regular basis, it is not antisemitic to say that.

I fully agree with that one too and would be fine with the meme if it would have an IDF flag or a Bibi face instead of the Israel flag.

If youā€™re suggesting ignoring the fact, just because ā€œNeo-nazis might like itā€, I canā€™t stand with you.

I am not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate.

Nacktmull, (edited )

Chapeau! Thank you for this eloquent contribution, which has enriched the discussion immensely!

Nacktmull,

That is an antisemitic generalization. The government and military of a nation is only a subgroup of itĀ“s society. How would you like to be held responsible for the actions of your government and military, even if you did not vote for them and donĀ“t agree with what they are doing?

Nacktmull,

That is a serious offence, reported! /s

Nacktmull,

The meme is broadly generalizing Israel as a homogenic society that casually murders children on a regular basis and omits that Israel is in fact a diverse society. By doing so it reproduces the ancient antisemitic trope of ritual child murder and blood libel. Neo-Nazis and other racist antisemites would therefore love this meme. From an antifascist perspective this meme is absolutely unacceptable.

Nacktmull, (edited )

Yes the ā€œJewish stateā€ is a diverse society. Where the the first class citizens are all ā€œgood jewsā€ recognized by the state. Any lesser Jews or god forbid Arab peoples are second class citizens.

I condemn the racist politics of the right-extremist government of Israel and the social segregation and severe injustice it causes. What is your point?

From an antifascist perspective this meme is absolutely unacceptable

There was this thing you all constantly choose to ignore, called the holocaust, that afaik not just a lot of antifascists see as a reason why Israel must exist, simply because otherwise the Jews will not survive capitalism.

Imagine being this fragile of a person. Log off now lmao.

But IĀ“m having so much fun with you guys here?!

Nacktmull,

Itā€™s cute how youā€™re staying safe in your mind palace and arguing about hypothetical settlers who donā€™t support whatā€™s going on.

Excuse me? What are you even talking about? Every single time I mentioned settlers in this thread, I did so only to blame them for the situation and called them ultra-nationalists, who are one of the groups who should be criticized alongside the government and the military. So please stop projecting so wildly and instead go with what i actually wrote, otherwise there is no basis for a discussion, thank you.

You know what your hypothetical virtuous perpetrators of a genocide can do if they actually feel that way? Fucking leave. They can fucking leave and go back where they came from and give back the homes they stole.

Calling out antisemitic propaganda when I see it does neither equal taking sides in the conflict nor does it equal supporting illegal settlements of racist neo-nazi expansionist assholes who murder Palestinian olive farmers.

You should really stop projecting so much, communication becomes impossible like this.

Nacktmull,

You are not adding any thing to the discussion at this point, please stop spamming.

Nacktmull,

Israel ā€œas a nationā€ has been doing this since its inception in 1948.

I can see the true part in this oversimplifying generalization.

It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement.

The same could be said about many countries. Are you by any chance a US american?

I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.

The fact that somebody has a different opinion than you does not mean neither.

Nacktmull, (edited )

You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide

Quote or it didnā€™t happen :)

loyalty to the people who rule you

Project much?

Nacktmull,

Sorry but if you donĀ“t have anything to say, please just be quiet instead of spamming out of context nonsense - blocked ā€¦

Nacktmull,

Du scheinst die Art Mensch zu sein welche mƶglichst simple Narrative bevorzugt und die Welt klar in gut und bƶse aufteilt. Daher kein Interesse an einer Diskussion, danke und schƶnen Tag noch.

Dein kringeliger Avatar prĆ¼ft so was von aus.

Nacktmull,

I want to state for the record that my rejection of that song sorry effort, has never decreased, not even a tiny bit.

Nacktmull,

There are moments when I wish I could upvote more than once, oh wait ā€¦

Nacktmull,

šŸ¤£

Nacktmull, (edited )

Then please consider not using cannabis at all, my dude. There are theories that with certain individual predispositions, cannabis use can promote the outbreak of permanent, severe mental health issues, like paranoia and anxiety. Be save.

Nacktmull,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_KdbASIkB8&t=275s

Enjoy!

Nacktmull,

I thought it was jamaican for ā€œyouth/a young personā€ ā€¦

Nacktmull,

Found the US American, lol

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