Olgratin_Magmatoe

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Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

Also a big fan of both series.

but if they have struggle dealing against a 2000 human civilization rebellion

There is a big caveat to this though, the combine are ridiculously pragmatic, to the point where they use humans to keep humans as slaves. Why specially create enforcers when there is already units that you can augment/brainwash into working for you, who already are well suited for the environment and atmosphere?

So that’s what the combine do, they use humans to keep other humans in check. So that revolt of 2000 humans was really only a revolt against other humans. Stories like that are a dime a dozen on earth.

The Combines dosen’t even have shields, the Combine Gunship can be throw away with just three real life rocket launcher and so far we see that’s one of their stronger airship synts units the combine have.

The shields one is a stronger argument, though again I think that might fall in line with the pragmatism of the combine. If all they are facing is humans, it could be the case in the eyes of the combine that putting extra defenses on your armored units is kind of pointless.

So they may very well have that tech, or something even more superior, but they just don’t bother wasting the resources on it.

Couple that with the fact that the gunships are themselves organic/enslaved, the combine probably don’t mind that the gunships are esentially cannon fodder. They might have the mindset that they can just breed up more.

But destroying a Borg cube? That is a feat even for an advanced civilization, or many of them.

The combine certainly are an advanced civilization. If you take the peripheral writings as cannon, they have at least one Dyson sphere. The tech for that might be beyond the borg, because even the borg’s biggest structures are grains of sand in comparison to the size of a dyson sphere.

Size doesn’t automatically mean a win, but the engineering required for a dyson sphere is huge. If they have that level of engineering, I could see them taking out pretty much as many cubes as they like. Especially if their dyson sphere(s?) are in any way weapons weaponized. And knowing the combine, they probably have sought such a weapon.

personally I think being a Stalker is worst than being assimilated by the Borg

Agreed 1000%. I’d rather be a borg than a half life stalker. If I’m going to have a hellish life with no agency and only pain, I’d rather not be conscious.


At the end of the day, the true strength of the borg is not particularly well defined (at least in my opinion), and thr true strength of the combine is even worse defined. The writers on either side have left too much up to question for any real definitive answer.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who’s had thoughts about the borg origins.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I could see that too. Either way, it’s a fun thought experiment to question how such an entity comes into being. Because surely the starting point looked a lot different given that they’ve assimilated (and therefore been changed by) thousands of species.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I only live ~15 minutes from my parents. I just didn’t want to have to deal with going back and forth. Wasn’t worth it in the end.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

Yeah, it was more or less the same experience for me. My community college was the same quality teaching (and in some aspects it was better). Which just makes it infuriating that 4 year community college programs aren’t really an option.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

Ah, I see. Imgur had it muted and I just didn’t realize.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I haven’t heard that take before, which is actually a decent workaround for the “why can’t we replicate living beings?” question.

I doubt it would be detectable though. Because you’d have to be able to tell the difference between replicated molecules, and molecules that were transported, with only differences being individual atoms and subatomic particles. Neither of which I’d think somebody capable of discerning. Maybe it’s a bit if a placebo thing?

Or maybe it would be a “pure water has no taste” sort of thing, where replicators make things too pure, to the point where some consider it bland. A real tomato grew in dirt and still has at least some, and the soil effects it’s taste, whereas the same isn’t true for replicated foods.

There also may be some degree of intentionally making an excuse. Lots of people love gardening, and in a world with effectively infinite, free food, your hobby seems more valuable if you have an excuse that your home grown real food & liquor tastes better.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I doubt it’s that big of a difference. If they have the tech to materialize full fledged humanoids regularly, millions of times a day, I’d think they’d also have the tech to make replicated food taste good.

But sure, I can see it being marginally better. But not enough to mean money is still in use.

It might be more of a “tomatoes I grew myself” type of thing for most cases.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

Yes, I’ve seen all of the main series minus some of the latest seasons from the new shows.

Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

My point was that the way the economy is portrayed is such that we don’t get to see much of how it actually works, meaning that a lot of our understanding is speculation based on a handful of lines.

For sure, and it is rather frustrating. But it makes sense that they don’t outright explain the details, as it would just cause lots of people to complain.

The wildcard here is that we see Federation worlds that seem to still use money, namely the Bolians who are members of the Federation, but the Bank of Bolias is a major financial institution.

It also might be a planet to planet thing. Like, imagine if a ferengi colony world broke off and asked to join the federation? They would undoubtetly keep their currency. It would just be a question of whether or not it is seen as a dealbreaker for the federation. I’d wager it wouldn’t be, so long as said ferengi colony keeps to the “every one treated equal, with dignity, and sufficiently provided for” philosophy of the typical federation world.

It seems that replicators are not essential to eliminating money in the Trek universe, although I’m sure they’re a boon to the standards of living.

Yeah, that is a common theme that I’ve heard as well. If we had replicators in today’s world, it would only be for the rich, and even if it came down in cost it would still never be free to get one or operate. The philosophy of society itself has to change to agree to make sure everybody is housed, fed, and cared for sufficiently. Without that step, replicators aren’t going to do anything to get us to a post scarcity world.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

If it can be solved through software/programming the item correctly, then it sounds like it isn’t an issue of replicator resolution.

I’m not saying it’s just a placebo. I think it might be a part of it though.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

How am I going to airfry a soup?

(With that said I have an air frier)

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

That’s exactly what I do and I don’t have problems getting it warm all throughout.

And even for solid food it isn’t too hard. Just keep it shaped like a doughnut, then let it sit for a minute or two.

Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

It might be a similar line of though as the Goa’uld weaponry from SG-1. They aren’t meant for accuracy or range. They use weapons of terror that create an absolute massacre when they do by chance hit.

The Ferengi, and especially of that particular group were Ferengi pirates of some sort, probably wouldn’t be above such tactics.

But also it was very clearly not a well thought out episode, so I’m absolutely applying meaning where there is none.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

The difference is that 9/11 was able to be channeled into xenophobia. The same can’t really happen with school shootings. The 40k mindset of hate being a valuable and limited resource hits way too close to home.

And it’s all a tragedy.

Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

Politically, it did do something. It was a useful wedge issue for republican politicians to take advantage of, at the cost of people’s lives.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

That’s assuming that they could understand Federation text books, and that their metaphor based thinking wouldn’t make it nigh impossible for them.

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