Prunebutt

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Prunebutt,

Reminder that while the labour theory of value can be practical to understand certain aspects of society, it is still culturally biased and not “objectively” true.

What creates value can only be answered in a cultural framework.

Prunebutt,

You’re right. It’s one theory. There is however ongoing debate on which theory is “correct”.

This vid explains it quite well and with Simpsons clips so the hour of video is bearable:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2LCNAVfMw

Prunebutt,

I was talking about the theory, not value. Sorry if that didn’t come across.

Now that I think about it: isn’t value culturally determined in many things? Why are apple products more expensive than other computers with the same specs? Why is a ticket to a Billie Eilish concert more valuable than one to my neighbor’s indie rock band?

Prunebutt,

Umm… Thanks for that unnecessarily aggressive seeming and a bit incompehensible addendum, I guess?

Prunebutt,

Sorry, I interpreted it as aggressive. Figuring out tone in text form is hard and all that. Sorry that I wrongly accused you.

Things I didn’t get:

A reminder that the labour theory of value is not a marxist concept.

Marx hasn’t been explicity brought up yet (at least not in my comment). Only implicitly in the original post. Again: thought you were attacking me and was like “umm… So what?”

When people wave their hands around and say “labor theory of value isn’t objectively true!!”, they’re shadowboxing a ghost.

I thought you meant me, since that was what I was basically saying. 😅

Value != price

Now, that one wasn’t even implicitly mentioned.

I hope you don’t hold my misunderstanding against me.

Prunebutt,

Where?

Prunebutt,

Don’t the two correlate?

Prunebutt, (edited )

Well now i’m confused. If ‘labor theory of value isn’t objectively true’ isn’t making an argument about the price of a commodity not being equal to the labor it embodies, I am not sure what you’re trying to say by it.

A theory o value doesn’t necessarily say anything about price. As you said: “value != price”.

Prunebutt, (edited )

There’s not even academical consensus what value actually is, AFAIK. Do preasts add value to anything with their labour? If not: Do social counsellors? What if a priest acts as a counsellor? Ask different economists with their theories of value and you’ll get several answers.

Economic theories aren’t as rigid as theories from the natural sciences or mathematics. They are dependent on the culture in which they are perceived. A non-capitalist society would have different theories or value (or none at all) than we do.

This guy can explain it properly, I’m not an economist and kinda regret making that comment.

Prunebutt,

As far as I understand: Price tries to measure value. Therefore: A price needs a value, but value doesn’t need price. They correlate but are not the same.

Were am I making the mistake? Genuine question.

Prunebutt,

Not being a wage slave is based, actually

Prunebutt,

A shame that android/google and apple have the market cornered so much.

Prunebutt,

I have big pockets (in my jacket) ;)

The SSD thing you mentioned is quite a good point. :/

Prunebutt,

Thanks for the hint. I guess I was a bit over-eager since I’ve been thinking about getting one for quite some time and now this “bargain” appeared out of nowhere. :/

Prunebutt,

It wouldn’t have been my primary device, but it indeed sounds too expensive now.

Prunebutt,

Oof. Didn’t even think of the SSD bit. The surface devices are generally good quality but the repairability is apparently atrocious with all these soldered Chips.

Prunebutt,

Thanks for the tips. I guess it’s really a bad idea after all.

Here’s hoping that the pinetab will be in stock sometime in the future. :)

Prunebutt, (edited )

I was specifically hoping for something with the 10" form factor. I already have a thinkpad as a laptop and was hoping for something with a smaller form factor.

Prunebutt,

There is quite an active Linux on Surface community, so I figured that it’s a bit easier to get it running.

Prunebutt,

Thank you, but the other comments have dissuaded me from getting a 4GB device. ;)

Prunebutt,

I already have a laptop. I was in the market for a small tablet.

Prunebutt,

The form factor is what makes the device so enticing to me. But maybe going used is the way to go.

Prunebutt,

I’m quite sure they’re new. Out of curiosity: Why do the specs make you think it’s refurbished? AFAIK, refurbishes don’t change the components. ;)

Prunebutt,

It’s a bit older, but the other comments kind of convinced me that MS just released a severely underpowered piece of hardware as the “budget option”.

Kind of untypical for them, especially considering that the surface devices are supposed to compete with ipads and Windows 11 is supposed to run on these things.

Prunebutt,

The SSD is still soldered to the motherboard.

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