Spzi

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Spzi,

Hot take: Fundamentally, everything is opinion.

What you consider right and wrong, fact or fiction, is your opinion. If you disagree with that, that’s your opinion.

Philosophers may try to make statements about the world, but all they can ever do is speak their mind, express their view, voice their opinion.

Further, everyone can only ever experience the world through their individual, subjective point of view. That’s an additional explanation why people disagree over what to consider objective facts. We ultimately lack objectivity and have to find a consensus; agree.

Just for the record, I hate the post-fact world with needles disagreements over otherwise established facts. My comment is not meant in defense of that.

Also note the academic discourse is far from that clear-cut opinion-fact-dichotomy. Experts disagree how to weigh and interpret evidence. Fields try to establish a consensus.

Finally, we aren’t these perfect rational beings, but individuals with backgrounds, fears, ambitions, circumstances. There’s a lot more going into what people consider facts than pure logic.

Spzi,

To be fair, “I did my own research” is not an argument, and should be considered unconvincing. It’s a claim, an unsubstantiated claim.

A meaningful answer would produce an argument informed by that research, how they disagree, and why.

As a side effect, this proves they did their research, although that part is entirely irrelevant. It allows to clear up misunderstandings, in case they missed important parts while doing their research. Some crucial insights aren’t that obvious.

Most importantly, making an argument informed by your own research contributes constructively to the discussion and advances it.

Spzi,

Yes, I refuse to watch a lengthy video or even read a book as a replacement for the other person making an argument.

If that source is so good, make arguments based on it. You’re in a much better position to find the relevant parts, since you remember them.

The last time I disregarded this rule was iconic. I watched their video, assumed to understand what they meant, came back with counters.

“That’s not what I meant.”

Yeah, great. You have no point, until you make one.

Spzi,

I get where you’re coming from and agree to the sentiment. On the other hand, no one is obliged to argue with anyone.

There can be many valid reasons apart from facts and opinions why people might choose to not continue a discussion with someone.

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