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Stamets

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30s. Gay. Star Trek lover.

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causality

Not sure you’re using this correctly here as the spore drive doesn’t break the link between cause and effect either.

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The mushrooms are some omnipresent thing connecting all space and time together and giving some special super powers somehow?

Complete and utter nonsense that is an outright fabrication. What you’re describing does not exist in Discovery. You’re collapsing 3-4 different things into one while misunderstanding every single one of them.

The mushrooms are some omnipresent thing

No they’re not. Nothing in Discovery is omnipresent. The closest thing is Carl which that can be argued.

I misread this as omniscient. The Network is slightly omnipresent but it’s not sentient and makes no decision. It’s merely a root system/highway. It also doesn’t exist in ALL places. It only exists where life exists. The network does not have root structures in intergalactic space, as an example.

thing connecting all space and time together

That’s accurate. The Mycelial Network (the fungal root structure that permeates an extra layer of space, similar to subspace and transwarp) does connect all of time and space.

special super powers somehow?

No one has super special powers. The closest is Stamets but that’s because of genetic engineering. DNA from a unique species of tardigrade was taken and incorporated into Stamets’ own DNA. Now he has the ability to see time a little differently due to that DNA and he has the ability to navigate the Mycelial Network. End of ‘special super powers’.

From what I can tell, you took the Mycelial Network, the Tardigrade, Stamets Ability, and the jahSepp (which are a sentient race of fungus that live within the mycelial network and breakdown organic material the same way that fungus does on Earth) and then collapsed them into all one giant mess.

That’s not the force and it’s nowhere even close to it.

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I haven’t watched Star Trek since DS9 and refuse to watch anything made after Enterprise.

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/5f411433-12cd-4b08-a1b1-7dfeef47ef66.jpeg

Can someone please elaborate what in heavens name is going on this meme is talking about?

In Voyager there was a two parter episode that involved another Starfleet ship stranded in the Delta Quadrant. They were capturing extra-dimensional beings and using their corpses to power their starship so they could get home faster.

In Discovery, the ship uses a unique propulsion method that utilizes spores and fungal properties.

The meme is mocking people who say that travel via mushrooms is stupid while having no issue with the usage of alien ghost corpses to power their ship.

Stamets, (edited )
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But it doesn’t. That’s the thing. Warp Drive might (but only when utilized in specific fashion, it doesn’t violate causality simply by existing) but the Spore Drive never has. The temporal shenanigans that happened with the Discovery wasn’t caused by the spore drive. It was caused by a time crystal/Red Angel suit.

Causality is things affecting other things. One event happens which triggers another and there is an outcome. That can continue on indefinitely, but causality is the inherent link between cause and effect. To break causality is to have an outcome that occurs before the event. At no point does the spore drive in Discovery do this. There’s no causality paradox or anything similar that happens in Discovery that is caused by that Spore Drive. The closest is when Disco travels forward in time by a couple of months in Season 1. The warp drive only breaks that as well when you start introducing time travel into it, using that warp drive to specifically cause temporal fuckery.

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… not even close and I have literally no idea how you managed to get to Gelar shields from that but okay.

I’m going to check out of this conversation. Nothing seems to be gained from this.

Stamets,
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Break it out. I have no issue admitting when I’m wrong. I just genuinely do not see what y’all are talking about in saying that faster than live travel, simply by existing, manages to violate the order of cause and effect.

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I’m falling apart right now because I’ve not been sleeping properly but I wll 100% look when I awake. Thank you <3

Stamets, (edited )
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There’s nothing to be sorry for as the only thing of mine that you’re negating is the ‘omnipresent’ thing and that’s only because I misread it as omniscient. Even then you’re not negating it fully as Season 4 specifically shows that the mycelial network doesn’t exist outside of the galactic boundaries. It only exists where life exists.

Everything else stands.

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That’s a you problem, not a reality problem.

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I misread it as omniscient. My bad there.

The root system isn’t omnipresent though. It only exists where life exists. The root system doesn’t permeate in regions of dead space or intergalactic space. If there’s nothing for life to grow on then the network doesn’t exist there.

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Yawn. Low effort troll is low effort.

Blocked. Got better things to do than acknowledge your existence.

Stamets,
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I’m not awake enough yet to comprehend this but will respond soon. Sorry!

Stamets,
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Mushrooms are cool. They defy reality here on earth. Makes sense they’d do it in space.

Stamets,
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Most of my memes are cries for help. You’re the first to notice!

Stamets,
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Taking a page out of the Janeway Book of Temporal Mechanics.

Step 1: Fuck it, throw out the book.

Stamets,
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No thanks.

Stamets, (edited )
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The Galactica take got me rolling for some reason.

Babylon 5 and Galactica are the ones people have pushed me the hardest to watch. I’ve been meaning to but haven’t gotten around to it. Babylon 5 probably pushed harder on me because I don’t like DS9 and everyone keeps saying that B5 is DS9 but better. Just keep rewatching the same few things over and over again. Eventually I’ll get to it and hate myself for not having started it sooner.

Stamets,
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Okay I was actually talking with my roommate a few minutes ago, while you made this comment, and we were talking about Stargate. We’re both huge Trek fans and she has seen all of Stargate. While talking to her I realized why I felt put off by SG-1 and you touched on it.

Every part of Stargate SG-1 that I’ve seen feels like it’s Team America: Space Police. As a Canadian, I really fuckin hate that. So if you’re saying that’s less common then I might give it a chance. I really really despise the concept of a bunch of militarized people rocking up somewhere and suddenly and aggressively imposing their will upon the local population. Which, as I found out when talking to roommate, is sort of the concept of the first Stargate movie? Going in to kill Egyptian-esque gods that have enslaved the locals of another location?

Stamets,
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For the record it wasn’t going to stop me from giving it a go, just that’s why I never tried it. Didn’t realize that’s why but it was hard to articulate. If there’s some self realization in there then I’m all for it.

It’s on the list either way. When will I get to it? No clue. Probably within the next couple months. Stargate is the one with the silver fox looking dude, right?

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My issue with the show extends throughout all seasons, unfortunately. There’s a few reasons as to why I am not interested but they’re all personal opinion. No serious complaints about the shows quality overall.

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Oh RDA for sure.

Stamets,
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COVID fucked over so much. I dunno how much of a surprise this is but I liked Supernatural and the ending that they went with was garbage. Although the producers have said that COVID didn’t impact the ending that heavily. I hope to fuck they’re lying because if that was a conscious decision then fuck 'em all.

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Intra-ship beaming

I don’t see that as breaking of canon but a demonstration of situations. They talk about how intra-ship beaming is dangerous but they don’t say it isn’t possible, just that it is used sparingly and in specific circumstances. Meanwhile Lorca is someone who doesn’t give the remotest of fucks about Starfleet and is using it to get home. He’s also trying to be secretive and is generally pretty impatient.

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You’re in good company. I was staring at it for a good 5-10 seconds before it clicked and I uploaded it.

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