I think Gnome is great. The workflow is amazing imo, better than a clunky Windows-inspired UX, and it’s nice to have a distro I can depend on being bug free without it being a project that moves too slowly.
And those trackpad gestures. Man. They make even Apple’s trackpad gestures feel like you’re using a £300 Acer laptop.
It’s also nice to have a desktop that actually gives a shit about UX, distraction-free computing, and consistency. It’s nice to have a desktop that encourages great third party apps that integrate well with the system and follow excellent design guidelines. It’s nice to have a DE team that are ballsy enough to go against the Win95 UX paradigm and does its own thing, despite knowing they’ll get extreme amounts of hate for it.
Just because it’s not your cup of tea doesn’t mean it’s a dumpster fire or they hate their users and are doing a circlejerk.
We don’t struggle with the idea of “Arch is too bleeding edge for me, so I won’t use it, but cool project nonetheless” or “Debian is too outdated for me, so I won’t use it, but cool project nonetheless”, so what is it about DEs - or tbh more accurately, Gnome specifically - that has people being like “this isn’t what I want, therefore it’s a piece of SHIT. Why do they hate their users? Why do the users use it? Don’t they realise the devs hate them??”
This elitist, tribal mentality is one of the worst parts about the Linux community, and is, ironically, a circlejerk of its own.
Yeah. And if it works for you, it’s good. I have a headless Debian home server running in my house right now.
I’m just saying it’s completely valid to not be into Debian because the packages are ancient, just as it’s also completely valid to not be into Arch because the packages are too bleeding edge.
There’s no real reason to use it over Arch/EndeavourOS
Their holding back of updates for 2 weeks is stupid and can cause breakage/dependency issues when you also have stuff installed via AUR (which doesn’t get held back for 2 weeks)
They hold back packages for 2 weeks, citing stability and that they can check for issues then patch before they push, but then they just… don’t do that. Known issues still get pushed.
Manjaro repos have had issues with malware in the past
Manjaro has on multiple occasions had their SSL certificates expire, with their advertised “fix” being to roll your system time back. This is a job that can be automated, or at the very least should have a reminder for someone in Manjaro to sort out. The fact it happened once is an embarrassment, but the fact it’s happened more times is absolutely inexcusable.
I dunno, it sounds awfully defensive to me. It wasn’t meant to hurt you, it’s just a discussion about software packaging. There’s no personal attacks here.
I did read your comments, and despite trying to change the topic, create strawmen, and shout ad-hominems, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s reasonable to say Debian packages are often very, very old and outdated. Because they are.
That may not be an issue for you, but it is for many.
You shouldn’t let that make you upset, it doesn’t invalidate your use-case.
And you don’t need to be so defensive. Nobody said Debian is bad or that you can’t use it to make money, just that it being severely outdated can be an issue, and it can. Flatpak helps, but it doesn’t completely fix it.
It’s not just noobs that appreciate flatpak. Flatpak is good all-round.
And the problem of Debian packages being old is very much not imaginary lol. Debian has only just moved beyond Gnome 3.38/Plasma 5.20/kernel version 5.10.
That’s ancient. And that’s not to mention the other software repos, which are often updated at an even slower pace.
Don’t assume that just because you want extremely outdated packages, everyone else must want the same.
So? The AMD subreddit is larger than either Nvidia’s or Intel’s (in the case of Intel, by a lot). Both of them have a greater market share than AMD in their respective markets.
Porsche has over double the subs of Toyota, yet Toyota sells 33x the amount of cars.