commie

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i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

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commie,

what they asked is how many died for the bun. not whether you think that line of reasoning is sufficient to discourage veganism.

commie,

your assumption of bad faith is itself bad faith

commie,

this is a thought-terminating cliche

commie,

If you had bothered to go to the link

like I don’t know who earthling ed is

commie,

If you had bothered to go to the link,

Ed is quoting some pretty misleading statistics to support your point. if this is the best that you have, you might want to reconsider your position.

commie, (edited )

about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil for human uses. but a soybean is only about 20% oil altogether. that leaves 69% of the soybeans as industrial waste. feeding that industrial waste to animals is actually conserving resources.

so it’s not even true that the land used to make food for animals isn’t used to make food for people: it’s the same land.

commie,

Every part of a soybean can be made for human uses

sure, but there are not enough people who want to eat soycake for the amount of oil that we produce. so giving it to animals is as good a use as any.

commie,

ourworldindata.org/soy

i’m so glad you used this. you can find this graph there that shows that almost all the soy we feed to animals is the industrial waste from oil production

https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

commie,

cattle farming is in and of itself the single largest driver of Amazon deforestation.

what does this have to do with what we are discussing, or how many mice were killed for that bun?

commie,

the vast majority of soy production is being used to raise animals for food, because that’s how the economics works.

the vast majority of soy (85%) is pressed for oil.

commie,

if you don’t know how the industry works, maybe you shouldn’t be the one deciding how it should be run

commie,

I’m informing you on a complex subject matter

no, you’re not.

commie,

I do, too, but that’s remembering, not forgetting.

commie,

we impose meaning on the world. even the idea that each of us is an individual instead of one unit is a construct. so while we can distinguish between different biological markers, the meaning we impart to that distinction is a construct. we can draw the lines arbitrarily (and we do). the distinction of race is no more natural or meaningful than a distinction based on country of origin.

commie,

disease and lactose intolerance are also constructs. all meaning is constructed. without an observer, there cannot be meaning. you get to decide which constructs you uphold.

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commie,

orgzly+syncthing

emacs org-mode on desktop

I admit, it is not terribly easy to get started. I think the emacs tutorial alone takes half an hour then you need to learn org-mode.

but it’s pretty badass

commie,

I mean there is no objective reason to set the standard at sentience any more than any other standard.

commie,

all subjective opinions, like ethics or aesthetics, are.

commie,

right…

commie,

we are going to, once again, disagree on the relevant definition of “anyone”.

commie, (edited )

yes, I do: sentience is too broad a category, and not actually relevant to most people. if we are talking about people, then all of your statements are fine. but I don’t agree that these axioms are or should be applicable to, say, mosquitos . or mice. or dogs or cats. or fish. or livestock.

commie,

it’s too broad because it includes mosquitoes and mice and dogs and cats and fish and livestock. most people don’t treat them the same way. most ethical systems don’t treat them the same way. My ethical system doesn’t treat them the same way. so I do not agree that it’s okay to write an axiom about how you’re supposed to treat sentient beings. treating people better than animals is a good thing.

commie,

calling me names doesn’t make what I said untrue

commie,

it’s also an argument for veganism

no, it’s not

commie,

name the trait is a fallacious line of argument because it falls prey to the linedrawing fallacy.

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