cyclohexane

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cyclohexane,

Hamas targeted military facilities and personnel, and civilians were caught in the crossfire when Israel fired at them.

Israel specifically targets civilians and massacres them. Even children. They burn them alive and torture them. Hamas is the last group left putting up a fight against this genocide. Hamas is not even a fraction of the concern that Israel is.

cyclohexane,

Because they aren’t.

Israel is genociding Palestinians, and Hamas is resisting them.

If innocents are caught in the crossfire of Hamas resisting, then Israel is to blame, not Hamas. Israel targets civilians, Hamas was targeting the military.

cyclohexane,

Hamas does not really have a propaganda machine. Israel does.

cyclohexane,

You’re surprised that a dance rave that was held 10 minutes outside the border of a concentration camp and active war zone got caught in the cross fire?

It was held in Re’im kibbutz, which is right next to the the Re’im Israeli military base.

cyclohexane,

The rave had many Israeli military soldiers positioned, and they fired at the Palestinian resistance forces heading to Re’im base and skirmished with them, putting the ravers in the crossfire.

cyclohexane, (edited )

Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people

They moved people off the battle field and kept them hostage, yes. They did not target and shoot civilians, the IDF put the ravers in crossfire when they engaged the Palestinian resistance. There’s plenty of footage of the incident online, and none of it shows that. I’d be happy to be proven wrong; show me evidence. If all you have is “trust me bro” from the Israeli government and media, who have a proven track record of lying (and already admitted that they lied about this latest Hamas operation), then your claims are to be ignored.

cyclohexane,

You mean the dance rave held at the gates of a concentration camp and active war zone? The one with many Israeli soldiers positioned and decided to skirmish the Palestinian resistance, and put the ravers in crossfire?

Arab Israeli population went from 1.5M to 2M since 2006

That’s because of their high birth rate. 45% of Palestinians are under the age of 15. The genocide numbers are very well documented, but I admire your bravery with genocide denial despite mountains of evidence.

cyclohexane,

I do not support Israel

cyclohexane,

Can you please share a link to the video, or point me to where I can find it? I am open to changing my mind.

cyclohexane,

Thanks for the link! I assume you’re speaking about the part between 1:30 and 1:40. a person wearing black appeared behind the lines of Palestinian forces. This would be pretty alarming to the fighters, as the person in black could be undercover or off duty soldier. The person was probably yelled at and told to get down, but proceeded to move in the wrong direction (could be language barrier). It seems that this is when someone opened fire, but you can see smoke appears on the ground noticeably far from the person. This means whoever was shooting shot at the ground, to alert the person in black. It was immediately after that that the person in black dropped to the ground.

Most likely, they dropped not because they got shot and killed, but because they complied after being warned with the gunshots. If you’re shooting to kill, you wouldn’t be shooting on the ground far from the person, or even their legs. Moreover, if you look close and zoom in, the person is seen moving after they drop right before the clip ends, indicating they’re probably still alive, and the video clip ends immediately after.

cyclohexane,

No need to apologize. I understand you’ve made up your mind already, but the facts are clear, and others reading my comment can cross what I said with the video to compare and verify me.

“both sides” is a meaningless stance. What are you recommending, other than maintaining the status quo of massacre and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? Of slow death and suffocation? What are Palestinians to do but resist?

cyclohexane,

Palestine is not a religious entity, and have been in favor of religious coexistence since the very beginning. It is the Zionist state that is exclusive of other religions by design.

cyclohexane,

Yeah, genocide turned out to be much better alternative right?

Either way, the Ottoman empire was on its way out, and the Arabs sought to establish a United state. So whatever the ottomans were doing is irrelevant.

cyclohexane,

yelling of “Allahu akbar”

Saying “God is great” is problematic?

celebrating the death and destruction in Israel

They are resisting against the Zionist state founded on genocide and exclusivism. I don’t see that violating their will for coexistance.

cyclohexane,

You’re gonna have to substantiate that claim. Show me evidence of Palestinians celebrating “killing of civilians at a dance party, or the beheading of babies”. Without evidence, your claim is to be ignored.

By the way, Israel has already admitted that they faked the “beheading of babies” story. Verify your evidence before responding.

cyclohexane,

Biden said

No offense, but that’s all the reason not to believe it. “Guys I have proof! I won’t show you but trust me bro, I’ve seen it!”

cyclohexane,

But how else will capitalist society coerce people into wage slavery? Next up you’re gonna tell me people should not be homeless either?!! What kind of dystopian society is this where everyone has food on the table?!! /s

cyclohexane,

How does the presence of Arabs in Israel’s war machine disprove that? You didn’t answer this question.

There were Jews who fought in the Nazis ranks. Based on your ridiculous logic, the Nazis are inclusive of the Jews (obviously incorrect because your logic is flawed).

There were black people fighting in the US armies as well, even during Jim Crow era.

cyclohexane,

Palestinians who genocided jews for centuries

Source? Highly doubt

Even now normal Muslims live in Israel

Treated as second class citizens, stripped of their rights, and brutalized daily

but those monkeys [Muslims who live in Israel] don’t want to coexist and only want to kill

Source? Highly doubt

Also, calling Muslims or another group “Monkeys” is not allowed in this community. I am warning you. Next time will be a ban.

Look at last statements from their leaders

I have. Nothing strikes me as a fraction of the concern that Israeli statements are.

look at state of people in Gaza

After Israel has been bombarding them, burning them alive, and cutting off essential resources for decades? Man, I wonder why they’re suffering.

cyclohexane, (edited )

close to 100 million native Americans were victims of the genocide by European settlers. EDIT: This is a link to the book “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World” by David Sannard

cyclohexane,

It’s a link to a specific page of the book “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World” By David Sannard. It’s not a Google doc.

cyclohexane,

The book is well sourced with tons of evidence. If you can invalidate their evidence, I am happy to hear. Otherwise, please drop this discussion. It’s not a good look.

cyclohexane,

someone with a clear agenda

Source? Prove to me that this author cannot be trusted. Otherwise your claim is to be ignored, sorry.

cyclohexane,

“every time you start a post with “Source?”, it’s a bad look”

this is what you look like saying that

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3087473e-350d-4a63-b61a-9e7d8b7abf53.jpeg

cyclohexane,

Thanks for being open minded and reading through! Even if it’s through a biased eye and a bit of a snarky reply, I still appreciate it. I hope that you open up and consider the sources presented with an open mind.

I’ll be looking forward to your assessment when you’re done, and I’ll do my best to receive it with an open mind as well.

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