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kogasa, (edited ) to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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Calculators do not implement “what conventions are typically used in practice.” Entering symbols one by one into a calculator is a fundamentally different process from writing them in a sentence. A basic traditional calculator will evaluate each step as you enter it, so e.g. writing 1 + 2 * 3 will print 1, then 3, then 6. It only gets one digit at a time, so it has no choice. But also, this lends itself to iterative calculation, which is inherently ordered. People using calculators get used to this order of operations specifically while using calculators, and now even some of the fancy ones that evaluate expressions use it. Others switched to the conventional order of operations.

kogasa, to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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Hi, expert here, calculators have nothing to do with it. There’s an agreed upon “Order of Operations” that we teach to kids, and there’s a mutual agreement that it’s only approximately correct. Calculators have to pick an explicit parsing algorithm, humans don’t have to and so they don’t. I don’t look to a dictionary to tell me what I mean when I speak to another human.

kogasa, (edited ) to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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Ah yes, simply “answer the question with an incorrect premise instead of refuting the premise.” When did you stop beating your wife?

That’s not what they asked me. I have no problem answering questions that are asked in good faith.

kogasa, to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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Sorry your article wasn’t as interesting as you hoped.

kogasa, to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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I have a masters in math, please do not condescend. I’m fully aware of both interpretations and your overall point and I’ve explained my response.

kogasa, to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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There aren’t.

kogasa, to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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My opinion hasn’t changed. The standard order of operations is as well defined as a notational convention can be. It’s not necessarily followed strictly in practice, but it’s easier to view such examples as normal deviation from the rules instead of an implicit disagreement about the rules themselves. For example, I know how to “properly” capitalize my sentences too, and I intentionally do it “wrong” all the time. To an outsider claiming my capitalization is incorrect, I don’t say “I am using a different standard,” I just say “Yes, I know, I don’t care.” This is simpler because it accepts the common knowledge of the “normal” rules and communicates a specific intent to deviate. The alternative is to try to invent a new set of ad hoc rules that justify my side, and explain why these rules are equally valid to the ones we both know and understand.

kogasa, (edited ) to memes in 6÷2(1+2)
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It’s not ambiguous, it’s just that correctly parsing the expression requires more precise application of the order of operations than is typical. It’s unclear, sure. Implicit multiplication having higher precedence is intuitive, sure, but not part of the standard as-written order of operations.

kogasa, to science_memes in Humanities be like
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I have a masters in math and I have no fucking idea what a second course in “advanced trigonometry” looks like much less a fifth

kogasa, to risa in Just get a bigger fence
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Well, he’s “wil” on Reddit. I imagine he’d have a “public” account here too even if he prefers a private alt.

kogasa, to lemmyshitpost in Mango
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Pepe is SUPER racist. Peepo is kinda just doin his best.

kogasa, to lemmyshitpost in Back in my day
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I once had the flu so badly I couldn’t get out of bed or yell for help. My parents put on “Flushed Away” (movie about some fuckin rats) on dvd and it looped at least 4 times before anyone came back to turn it off. One of my core traumas

kogasa, to linuxmemes in Alpine Linux is just Busybox in a Linux Distro trenchcoat
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It’s nice to use though. I recently set up 2 VMs to act as Docker servers, one of which was Alpine (the other NixOS, as a learning project). It’s dead simple to set up and use. I was pleasantly surprised at how little I had to get used to considering musl + lack of systemd.

kogasa, to linux in The cost of maintaining Xorg
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Step 1: Install a Wayland compositor of your choice Step 2:

kogasa, to memes in Every time
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TFVS

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