Sure, Im just familiar with those two from maybe 20 years prior. When I first heard it used to refer to bball or athletics in general, first thing that came to my mind was cocaine use, injecting is pretty intense I hear. I knew a guy but never have have tried myself.
Even as late as the early 00’s, spouse and I went to see John Delancie. Spouse bought a signed photo of him as Q, but he also came out from behind his desk and put his arm around her so I could take a pic. Maybe because it wasnt very busy, just casual. A number of years later we “tried” to see Will Shatner, but it was crazy busy, surrounded by security. Just didnt seem worth it.