redballooon

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redballooon,

Do some research and educate yourself.

That’s what the conspiracy theorists say.

redballooon,

Your local slaughterhouse. Of, if that doesn’t exist, your regional slaughterhouse.

redballooon,

It is, as a meme.

redballooon,

Ugh. That link is horrible. I mean the descriptions behind it.

It looks like non-Hamas Palestinians have two enemies working against them.

Makes me wonder what exactly a Pro-Palestinian position is.

redballooon,

Palestine would currently be a country, for the first time in human history, if Hamas did not exist.

Can you expand on this?

redballooon,

To my knowledge the closest state to the 2 state solution was an offer to Arafat after the Camp David negotiations. He didn’t take the offer, but I don’t know why. But that was in 2000, before Hamas seized power in 2005. That was why I asked.

redballooon, (edited )

So the ideal solution would be a 2-state+1-cage solution, where the cage is for Hamas and Netanyahu together with his Ultra Orthodox faction, where they can fight each other to death, while Israel and Palestine negotiate on a peace treaty.

Why are we as humans obsessed with mass-extinction of our species?

I was having a conversation with my friend about this. We were discussing AI and she believes AI will destroy all of humanity just like so many others. I personally don’t believe that. I’m aware of all the theories and the multitude of ways that it could happen and I understand that with AI, in theory we wouldn’t...

redballooon,

Fear of karma or other sorts of retributions.

We are aware that we do mass exterminate a ton of other species and wonder what could do that to us.

redballooon,

Redditors, mostly

redballooon,

Some sort of order. Chronological will do, but maps are also nice

redballooon,

Oh damn. That’s a universal wisdom that could make the world better in many places.

redballooon, (edited )

In what world are music festivals and kibbutzim a military facility?

redballooon, (edited )

Are you saying the only options are handing out collective punishment or accepting death?

First, that’s doubtable. But if so, I’d indeed accept death. I’m not killing innocents.

I’d rather die than become a living monster.

redballooon,

And pretty much indistinguishable. All those ravers, how could anyone differentiate them from military personnel???

your logic doesn’t make sense to anyone who is not caught in ideological hatred.

No wait, I’m calling it lies. Not logic. Lies.

redballooon, (edited )

Eye witness report “ Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people.”

And many very similar stories, including brutal rape and beheadings.

I continue calling your words lies.

redballooon,

I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.

redballooon,

I understand. you list here injustice that when experienced are beyond words.

Now tell me: in what cases does is the punishment of innocents justified?

redballooon,

Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

redballooon, (edited )

Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

redballooon,

Oh really? Then we’d have war everywhere. There is no place on earth that was not at some point taken by force by this or that group of people.

redballooon, (edited )

Ok, so before 1918, the Ottomans had that piece of land for about 400 years. I guess that makes a turkish claim is older, and therefore stronger, by your logic, am I right?

Before that there was the Mamluks for 200 years, but that doesn’t seem an ethnicity that’s notable today, so let’s forget that.

Before that, the cruzaders had that land for 200 years, I suppose that means Europe also has an older claim.

Before that, Arabs for 400 years, so I see we’re back to their claim.

But hold on, before that, it was Roman territory for a whopping 700 years. That’s notable. Italia has a really good claim, I’d say.

But even before, there were the Jews there, and for close to a thousand years. So, following your logic the state Israel has all right to be there.

Before that there also lived people, of course, but it’s hard to pinpoint those to ethnicity. Egypt was there shortly. That’s an older claim even, but not very long.

Hmm. Are now all those people justified in killing innocents on some grounds that hasn’t been “theirs” for generations?

redballooon,

Ok, I guess then there is no logic to understand. I’ll stop trying. Have a good day.

redballooon, (edited )

Just as the reactionary Republicans who accuse the democrats of all sorts of foul play that’s in their playbook, this whole comment looks to me like projection.

Using the population as shields, by hiding weapons and militants in hospitals and schools is what the Palestinian combatants have done for years decades. Etc

You have a few points, the Israeli government has long been gone across any reasonable state of mind.

But the whole mindset you describe did not originate in Israel. This whole situation is waaay less one sided than you make it appear. And it changed significantly last weekend, initiated with a terror attack of unprecedented scale by the Hamas.

redballooon,

I don’t get it.

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