sqgl

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sqgl, (edited )

I don’t understand why in each case the BBC shows a pair of images: IDF map pinpointing where to move to and a photo of the aftermath.

Why does BBC not also show a map of where the strike occurred — also as a pinpoint?

Some of these warnings were accompanied by maps with arrows pointing to vaguely defined areas to move towards.

IDF showed a pinpoint. Technically the area is indeed ill defined (how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?).

IDF might now say they struck near the pinpoint not at the pinpoint. They may have sleazily given themselves wiggle room. Just how close they struck is important though.

The BBC “Verify” team failed to show us so that we can verify for ourselves. We cannot trust BBC after the hospital misreporting nor can we trust the warring parties.

sqgl,

Wasn’t the Ottoman period occupation/colonialism too? Not that I am in favour of imperialism but you do raise a fascinating point I wasn’t aware of.

sqgl,

It was Arabs who did not accept those borders. They lost and Israel expanded.

What I have more of a problem with is the settlers in the WB and that seems to be Bibi’s doing without much pushback from USA. Fascists gonna fasche.

sqgl,

Bibi is in power because of religious zealots (and just under half of Israel hated him for it).

sqgl,

Was it with an iron fist though? Genuine question because I know zero about that period.

sqgl,

Brendan Behan quote: The terrorist is the one with the small bomb.

sqgl, (edited )

What vote? I wasn’t talking about any election and neither was blazera (who correctly said Jews were given the land).

I was talking about the 6 day war. Great animation showing the history here youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc/

sqgl,

After the Nazi shit and the reluctance of the West to accept refugees I can understand why.

And look at the rise of cookers who think we live on a flat earth run by a cabal of Jewish shape-shifting lizards from the planet Nibiru. I do not think social progress by humanity is inevitable anymore.

Nazi Germany could really happen again. Just last week in Australia a judge revealed himself to be a Nazi sympathiser… old.reddit.com/r/auslaw/comments/…/k6nuov1/

sqgl, (edited )

Why do i keep hearing it described like losing a game?

What do you mean by “it”?

I thought we were talking specifically about changes to the borders of what was given to them (irresponsibly?) by the Allies after WW2.

The 6 day war in 1967 was initiated by surrounding Arab countries. Israel won that war and expanded into the Sinai and Gaza (Egypt), Golan Heights (Syria), West Bank and East Jerusalem (Jordan). They didn’t initiate the expansion. They then returned the Sinai to Egypt.

Admittedly after that they did take more without provocation. The chipping away with settlements is happening to this very day.

I just rewatched the above video in order to spell out the details. It is all new to me. Have a look yourself if you are genuinely interested in discussing the conflict. It really is well made and easy to follow (I dunno if there are errors though).

sqgl, (edited )

Nothing was ever given to them, only taken

Who is “them”? I was talking about the land given to Jews by the colonisers: England and France.

The 6 day war had a larger army on the Arab side. I dunno how much financial backing Israel had from USA or how it compared with the backing (if any) by the Arab oil states and I doubt you know or care either.

I am trying to learn here, but you just insist on lazy mud slinging. Blocking you.

sqgl, (edited )

it was Palestine which refused a two state solution several times.

I thought there was a trial period of the 2SS but it failed because the PLO leadership was corrupt - Palestinians shamed two ministers into quitting but Arafat refused to quit.

That was my takeaway from the Wikipedia entry anyhow.

However I did watch a documentary once about Shin Bet (interviewing many ex Shin Bet leaders) which gave the impression that the 2SS failed because of Jewish religious zealots who assassinated one of the 2SS architects: Rabin.

Can someone clarify please?

sqgl,

No, they would then look bad for pulling out. This way it looks reasonable to pull out.

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