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I think what this person is trying to say is that because of the endless customisation options and the not-too-rare lack of support for random things (Gaming Anti-cheat, Support from “industry standard” (vendor lock-in) software that dominates the market because everyone in industry uses them, Nvidia especially on Wayland, etc.). It is true, that with Linux you can end up spending hours on end finding the perfect setup, solving weird little bugs and issues, and distrohopping.
Windows provides ROI
See the free-of-charge Linux distros above. By definition, INFINITE ROI
All the professional software properly supported
I disagree with the wording here. All the “professional” software works because it’s made for that system. Blaming Linux for lack of Adobe support is like blaming Windows for not supporting valgrind or zsh. It’s up to the program’s developers to support it.
Easy to install
True, but in my experience, the Windows installer can be more difficult to use and makes things very unfriendly for people who want to dual boot, when compared to Ubuntu and distros that use the Calamares installer. With these, I get a visual overview of my partitions, making it far easier to visualise my drive and remember what partition to wipe. So the Windows installer is very unfriendly in that regard.
Required daily use to work properly
If you mean updates, that is kinda true. Only kinda because you can use, say CTT’s winutil to switch to security updates only, with feature updates delayed by a few months.
MacOS is a “toaster” OS
If you mean the lack of features and the level of lockdown by Apple, then yes, I’d probably agree.
perfect for your weekend surfing activities
And nothing else.
The other stuff below that are pretty much correct.
In short, Linux is a tinkerer’s paradise trying to become more easy to use in hopes of gaining marketshare and software support. The issue is that it’s a cycle of no support because low marketshare, low marketshare because no users, no users because no software support. Things will get there, to the point where I can see Linux being better than Windows 11 by the time Windows 10 goes EOL (2025). The issue is that Windows 12 is coming with all sorts of AI marketing gimmicks. It’s yet unclear how Linux will respond to that.
Windows is the business system. It is a system built from a corporation that bought it off someone else, with that someone else having created a clone of another system (look up Gary Kildall if you don’t know what I’m talking about). Over the years, Microsoft has used ruthless business practices (United States vs Microsoft Corp., the Halloween documents, EEE) to build up and maintain expansive market dominance. Then they used that dominance to actively make their product more profitable to them and thus worse for the consumer (ads, forced updates, terrible optimisation, terrible security, terrible system requirements, vendor lock-in, a distinct lack of customisation (they even removed the ability to have the bar at the top!), telemetry that you can’t even fully disable, etc.) and it keeps on getting worse with all the AI and cloud PC stuff that’s just some bullshit marketing gimmicks used to siphon off more money and data from a consumer that has no choice.
Or do they? Let’s look at the last choice, MacOS. What does MacOS have to offer? Nothing really. I mean, it’s kind of a middle ground between the two. It’s a Unix system meaning the terminal experience is similar to Linux (aka it’s actually good) and it has the “professional” apps the OP was talking about, while also having some of the customisability of Linux (from what I’ve heard, it has a pretty decent tiling window manager called yabai), but also suffering from a distinct lack of power user features or even decent window management features in the default desktop experience that it comes with, which I find quite ironic. It also SUCKS when it comes to Gaming.
And that’s without mentioning the vendor lock in where the meh OS is tied to terrible hardware, so to me, it’s not even worth it.
There was a very good video on MacOS that I’d recommend:
Well, I upvoted your response as well because there’s a lot I agree with.
However:
You’ve to deal with two major half-assed desktop environments
Simple. Ignore them Both!!! Why should they follow the same UI and design guidelines as either of them or work to be well-integrated with either? Last I checked, OnlyOffice and Chromium both are not following either of them. Just do your own thing and that’s fine. Last time I used Adobe products, their UI wasn’t like Windows 10 OR Windows 11. It was a different vibe entirely.
Outside of UI elements, that’s what universal packaging formats like Flatpak with Portals are trying to address. The application lives in its own container/sandbox and doesn’t give a fuck about your DE or any of that.
Both worked just fine
Yeah, I’m 99% sure that would not happen on Linux. As in, both these specific pieces of software working just fine, but also ancient software that “just works” on modern systems. Unless of course, we’re talking about universal packages that will probably still work 10, 20, or 30 years down the line.
Why would you ever need to dual boot? :)
Because it sure as hell ain’t perfect. I wish it was, but it is not there and I’m not sure when it will be (if ever). There is some software that is Windows only and there are no alternatives for it. An example I personally deal with is AutoHotKey. A game I play practically requires Macroing at a certain level and THE macro made for it is written in AHK and is so advanced that it will likely never be ported to anything else. I even experimented with creating a proof-of-concept to see if it can be done in Python with Pyautogui and image detection didn’t work. Pixel detection did but it was just too goddamn slow. But I digress.
I’m not sure Windows will handle itself correctly even with that
It usually does for me.
That’s because Microsoft decided to make Windows 11 significantly worse.
They did, but that’s not the only reason Linux will be better than Windows. Linux already beats Windows in some areas (Resource usage, Telemetry or lack thereof, CLI experience) even though most users don’t care about any of these.
I hope Linux doesn’t react to that at all.
So do I.
the absurdly funded and inept Gnome team… their messed up view of a DE
Please forgive me for not checking the link before responding, but I already agree with the statements you make about GNOME. Maybe I’ll check the link out for fun after I write this.
I completely agree with the points you made about Office.
This isn’t true. Microsoft has all the spyware very well documented
Wow. That’s new. I genuinely didn’t know that. I’ll have to keep that in mind.
You should try MacOS for a month or so because their DE is better than GNOME.
The second part isn’t surprising. The first part is something I will consider. I tried using QEMU with those scripts that make it easy to set up MacOS inside QEMU but it was still just too slow so I never touched it again. I’m too broke to afford Apple Hardware and don’t have spare cash even for preowned stuff. I’ll check if my university’s CS dept (where I’m studying) has any Mac machines I can try out.
On the short rant about GNOME, I pretty much agree. And going back to a previous point you made: both DEs suck in their own ways.
On containerized apps, they are still pretty new. I’m hoping they become good, but the idea of a Single DE for Linux is not something I ever expect to happen. Maybe if the distros get their shit together and realise GNOME sucks and then start financially supporting KDE instead so that Plasma finally irons out the bugs and UX issues to become the dominant DE (because let me tell you: KDE is poor, and they shouldn’t be if they ever want Plasma to become the major DE and finally rid us of GNOME).
This video is bullshit
I apologise. I’m not familiar with MacOS, the video is old, and I haven’t watched it in ages, I just so happened to remember about it when writing my response.
So, I use keybindings for my browser, terminal, file manager, run launcher, Screenshots (latest addition), music player, and a few other things, but almost everything else is for window management such as changing layouts (which I never use), Promoting a Window to master, moving a window up and down the stack, closing the focused window, switching between workspaces and moving windows between workspaces.
For me, the most used features of a tiling window manager are keybindings, workspaces and then tiling, in that order. I usually keep my windows either maximised or as 2 windows next to each other. I sometimes use 3 windows in a workspace, albeit rarely, and I pretty much never use 4 windows in the same workspace.
In terms of workspaces, I use my 9th (last) workspace for my music player, and the other workspaces for other things depending on what I’m doing. I know some people have a workspace for web browsing, a workspace for programming etc. but I have a pretty dynamic range of things I use my device for, so I don’t have the workspaces marked for a specific use.
For example, in the last few days, I found myself following the updates for a game I play so discord was opened on workspace 8. I needed 3 vscodium windows and 2 workspaces with a total of 5 terminals between them. That’s 5 workspaces total. I also had a workspace with 2-3 browsers where I would change between them when needed (meaning I would have 1 maximised and then maximise another when needed, hiding the others under it), with discord on the 8th workspace, and cmus, my music player on the 9th. I think only 1 workspace was free at that time. So safe to say, I use my workspaces a lot.
In terms of my layout, I have used, currently use, and will continue to use a tiling (master and stack) layout where the new window is spawned at the bottom of the stack (rather than at the top, or after the currently focused window), with the master window on the left, and the ratio between the master and the stack being 0.5 (meaning the master window takes half, the stack splits the other half). That way, I can have, for example, my browser on the left, a terminal on the right, and if I temporarily need a file manager for something, it will open at the bottom of the stack, under the terminal, regardless of where my mouse is (I use dynamic tiling), with minimal changes to the layout of other windows (My browser is still on the left, my terminal is still on the right, and as my terminal remains on the top right, it means that there is no need for me to readjust to a different window layout because I spawned a new window for a few seconds.
So yes, that’s the workflow I use and have used for a while. As I’m on Hyprland, I decided I might as well use the animations available, and I think I’m running the default in terms of animations and rounded corners. One of the things that sold me on Hyprland were the rounded corners, with the animations just being a nice benefit. I have ran Hyprland both with and without them, and it really doesn’t change anything for me. In fact, they are so unimportant to me that I had to check if I had them activated right now to see if I use them, and yet when I do occasionally notice them, I enjoy the fluidity that they create. I have also recently decided to “upgrade” my setup a bit and I changed the “Brightness:”, “Mem:”, “CPU:” and other text indicators, to icons, and habe mande the bar rounded and floating, and it looks so much better. While I was at it, I wanted to changed the Wayland icon, which was a bit blurry, to an Arch icon, and prepared a config with a NixOS icon, as I plan on switching to NixOS full time eventually.
If there is anything else you are interested in or have questions about, feel free to ask.
Use CTT’s winutil. I’m guessing it can get rid of that (and also telemetry and it makes updates less annoying and gives you a Ninite-like way to easily install a bunch of software and apply a bunch of tweaks etc.)
I firmly believe this will be the year of the Wayland Desktop. Everything is shaping up to finishing off the transition for regular people and further stabilisation of the Wayland desktop space.
A unified, bug-free, performant and featureful display stack to ensure people can use things like Variable refresh rate, which, iirc, is an impossibility on X11.
Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate....
I’ve recently reached the point where I could barely afford some of them… if they were as good as they were a year ago. Seems I’m sticking to the Seven Seas and my downloaded music library.
Honestly, depending on whether you count it or not, LFS. I have not tried Gentoo yet, though I want to one day, for the learning experience, and yet I already know that compiling everything is not something I enjoy.
I can get by with OpenSUSE and Void (kinda), I’ve used Debian for a few weeks, I’ve used Fedora for a month or so, I’ve used Ubuntu for a bit, I’ve tried PopOS for a week or two, I’ve used NixOS for a few months, and I’ve used Arch for most of my time on Linux.
Currently I’m on Arch, but I don’t like rolling releases that much. At the same time, I am also not a fan of immutability, as there are some programs I need that cannot be installed on an immutable distro, so that’s why I’m on Arch. Why am I only using these 2? Because they are the only distros that have all the packages I need (excluding the specialist software that I need for university). By the time I discovered Distrobox (which would solve this problem), I was already on Arch. I’ve also done some changes to my setup and as such, I’ll need to wait for some new features to make their way into program releases and into the NixOS Stable repo with the following release. Until then, I’m on Arch.
I’m trying to create a Spotify premium account with a VPN from Pakistan but I keep getting the error message “Your payment method and country don’t match” when using Revolut to pay. Does anyone know a workaround ? Thanks
For example, a lot of songs don’t show me tge lyrics and just say something along the lines of “couldn’t load lyrics” which is annoying. If I didn’t want lyrics, I’d be listening to the local copies instead!
TLDR: Debian will stop producing 32-bit iso installer images. You can still use 32-bit applications. This will stop you from installing the newest version of Debian on a 32-bit processor. That’s all.
From what I understand (as an AMD user), NVK is a driver that aims to allow users to achieve the same level of support and performance as they would get with the proprietary Nvidia driver. If that is the case, does that mean Wayland on Nvidia can finally be as good as it is on AMD? If so, then 2024 can pave the way to complete Wayland transition and full Wayland support for all uses, including Gaming, and for all hardware, including Nvidia GPUs. If that happens, 2025 will be (I’m sorry, I know it’s a meme at this point) the year of the Linux desktop.
Hello everyone! I’ve been playing around with Wayland for a bit and was hoping to start learning some more about it. For example, I would be interested in making a lock screen, similar to Swaylock, as a toy project....
I’ve played around with (only played around with, I haven’t done any actual development with either but I’ve heard they’re similar) GTK, QT and Tk (actually tkinter from Python), and QT seems the most intuitive. It just feels right to me, compared to the others.
Work in Cinnamon on Wayland, Plasma 6, XFCE 4.20 for Wayland support, WINE on Wayland, The Fancy Hyprland-like effects coming to Qtile Wayland, basically everything Wayland.
Come the next major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat is officially dropping the Xorg package, whilst it’ll still be available in RHEL 9 until 2032 the countdown has begun, Xorg is on the way out. Are you and your software going to be ready in time....
By whom? Red Hat is pretty much the only one supporting X.Org so that’s why. Development will not really continue because there will be nobody to do the development.
This message showed when I entered the serial specifically made for pirates. Right now feeling nothing but respect for plugin devs. Next month Imma buy this plugin 100% fixed, need it or don’t need it doesn’t matter anymore lol.
True. I would never pay for AC Rogue, and after having completed the game, I can justify that decision. To me, it felt lile Black Flag but worse. Could I justify but I Black Flag on Steam, after already paying for it on PS4? Yes. Could I justify any purchase of Rogue? No, none.
If all the seemingly pointless discussions about which distro is better comes from attachment to a spesific distro and if a distro is just a way to interract with linux than all the discussion about witch distro is better etc. fundementally comes from a a place of love and appreciation for Linux as an OS....
How many more PRs/MRs left? And when will it be available via wine staging? I can’t wait to try Wayland gaming on Hyprland! I’ve moved everything else over to it already
I moved over to Wayland full time a couple of weeks ago (using KDE on Arch). I have finally rid myself of any X11 hangups apart from one. Latte will NOT respect my primary screen when changing monitor arrangement (ie. turning my projector on and off) and seems to randomly pick a screen to call the primary....
Distro for a POS
I got this one friend, a POS (Piece of shit) , who was always bugging me out for using Linux....
Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex... (lemmy.world)
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How do you use your tiling window manager?
Tiling window manager users: how exactly do you use yours?...
Microsoft says a Copilot key is coming to keyboards on Windows PCs starting this month (www.cnbc.com)
Happy new year of the Linux Desktop!
KDE's Nate Graham On X11 Being A Bad Platform & The Wayland Future (www.phoronix.com)
Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate....
Amazon's Prime Video will start serving ads on January 29 unless you pay extra
What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?
I’ve been using Linux Mint since forever. I’ve never felt a reason to change. But I’m interested in what persuaded others to move.
Spotify VPN workaround
I’m trying to create a Spotify premium account with a VPN from Pakistan but I keep getting the error message “Your payment method and country don’t match” when using Revolut to pay. Does anyone know a workaround ? Thanks
Debian Likely Moving Away From i386 In The Near Future (www.phoronix.com)
NVK holiday update: What we've achieved, and where we're headed (www.collabora.com)
Poll: GUI framework for widgets/apps in Wayland (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
Hello everyone! I’ve been playing around with Wayland for a bit and was hoping to start learning some more about it. For example, I would be interested in making a lock screen, similar to Swaylock, as a toy project....
What are you most excited when it comes to linux in 2024?
For me it must be kde plasma 6 and the wayland driver for wine....
[Video] Red Hat Is About To End Xorg: Is Wayland Ready? (www.youtube.com)
Come the next major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat is officially dropping the Xorg package, whilst it’ll still be available in RHEL 9 until 2032 the countdown has begun, Xorg is on the way out. Are you and your software going to be ready in time....
Love devs' attitude towards piracy, TruePianos v1.9.8 (audio VSTi plugin) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
This message showed when I entered the serial specifically made for pirates. Right now feeling nothing but respect for plugin devs. Next month Imma buy this plugin 100% fixed, need it or don’t need it doesn’t matter anymore lol.
The Distro Wars are good actually.?
If all the seemingly pointless discussions about which distro is better comes from attachment to a spesific distro and if a distro is just a way to interract with linux than all the discussion about witch distro is better etc. fundementally comes from a a place of love and appreciation for Linux as an OS....
Winewayland.drv: part 11: Mouselook support · Merge requests (gitlab.winehq.org)
What dock do you use in Wayland?
I moved over to Wayland full time a couple of weeks ago (using KDE on Arch). I have finally rid myself of any X11 hangups apart from one. Latte will NOT respect my primary screen when changing monitor arrangement (ie. turning my projector on and off) and seems to randomly pick a screen to call the primary....