xuxebiko

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anteaters,

Why does Reddit even pretend to care about blind users? They cannot see ads on Reddit so we all know how important they are for Reddit.

Chozo,

they did not respond to a request to use the app with screen curtain on.

That's pretty damning. If they can't even demo it while simulating a real world use-case, then that tells me how little faith they really have in their product.

hawdini,
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Just waiting for Reddit to say the mods aren't doing a good job and replace them, ironically, with fully-sighted mods.

BlackCoffee,

People are way to shortsighted to see how it can affect them as well.

The amount of "I don't use 3rd party apps so it doesn't affect me" comments were very noticable.

These changes and the ones that Reddit will implement to rail the userbase even harder will affect the people one way or the other at some point.

FaceDeer,
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To some degree it's hard to be sympathetic, because the people complaining about this are seriously lacking in sympathy themselves. They just wanted to see the content that those users produced for them, they didn't care about the difficulties or preferences of the users themselves. So when those Spez-opposed users took their ball and went home the Spez-friendly people got angry at them for taking their comments away with them rather than at Spez for having driven them to that in the first place.

awsamation,
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Exactly.

Most of us on the fediverse can sympathize with the idea that "its really frustrating not being able to use Reddit as a reliable spurce for obscure knowledge."

The difference is that we feel "its really frustrating that I can't rely on Reddit, because even if the answer is there I can't in good conscience support spez." Instead of "all the answers are gone because of these stipid protests."

moon_matter, (edited )
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People are only using the 3rd party app line because it's the most relatable argument. It's much more than that. A ton of moderation tools and useful bots are going dark tomorrow thanks to the API policy change. Even if we all go back to Reddit, there's no bringing back those tools. Reddit communities are going to slowly go to shit as spammers all realize that moderators aren't as effective as they used to be. This was going to happen regardless of how the protests turned out. There's no scenario where things get better for Reddit.

Kichae,

People love to blame the victim for defending themselves over the problematic person who is abusing them, because if they acknowledge that someone is being abusive that kind of morally obligates them to step in.

And they very much don't want to do that.

And obviously the exploitation of users for their knowledge and content so that the owners of Reddit Inc. can gain wealth for sitting on their thumbs is different from the kind of abuse one's mind might go to when the word is raised, but it's the same dynamic.

Someone is claiming mistreatment, those around them are annoyed by the claims, not by the mistreatment, because the person standing up for themselves is putting onlookers in the dangerous position of examining their relationship to that mistreatment.

And they don't wanna.

TheRecycledMoth,

I didn’t use 3rd party apps but it would have been incredibly naive of me to say it wouldn’t affect me. It’s the entire basis of how the site works, literally how could it NOT affect me??

Thorned_Rose, (edited )
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I totally hear you that comments like this can feel insensitive of people who have been abused. I'm an abuse survivor so I get where you're coming from and appreciate your intent.

What I disagree with is that we shouldn't make this comparison at all. The same relational dynamics and structures that give rise to mental, emotional, physical, sexual, etc. abuse and exploitation give rise to this behaviour too.

It's like the pyramid of rape culture (https://www.11thprincipleconsent.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Rape-Culture-v5.png). The stuff at the bottom isn't one for one equal to what's up the top. But the underlying structure and foundations are the same no matter how far up you go.

The same as any form of abuse, no matter how big or small, is underpinned by the same thought patterns, behaviours, power dynamics, culture, societal attitudes and practices, etc.

EDIT: removed preview of pyramid so no one gets smacked in the face with unpleasant descriptions scrolling down. Typos.

BornVolcano,

Fun fact! I'm actually talking to them about it rn, I'm one of the transcribers and there's been discussions on what to do. From what I'm hearing, they're considering it, but they aren't entirely sure about the fediverse or how it works so setting up something the way ToR was run (which was surprisingly sophisticated, with a curated list of different posts to transcribe that would automatically update on progress across reddit) will take some time.

In the meantime I'm looking around rn for any communities here that could use a rogue transcriber to add some transcriptions to some of the posts. I want to try to help blind/VI users feel welcome here best I can. If you have any directions to point me in, please do, because idrk how the fediverse works at all, but it has markdown on mobile so I should easily be able to get some done.

ch1cken,
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Nice seeing others use libreddit, and adminforge's instance in particular. They also host some other frontends btw, for stuff like twitter/fandom etc.

Its also more convenient using a browser addon like libredirect which redirects url's automatically, rather than manually replacing the domain yourself.

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