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PanArab, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

I miss living in a city where I didn’t have to drive. Maybe one day I will have that chance again.

diskmaster23, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

The key thing here is cost. Employers don’t want to pay, and everything is so damn expensive.

BoringHusband, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

Horses.

Draegur, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

Good on them. I fucking love Zoomers.

ada, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, I get it. I hate the damned things. I can’t deny their utility, but they’re just not worth it

pipows, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive
@pipows@lemmy.today avatar

My cheap Honda Start goes brrrrrr

plactagonic, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

I and my brother did some math about cars.

We both work and have money for car but just insurance, technical and emissions control… is more expensive than public transport ticket (for one year in our city). And we didn’t count in petrol and parking.

In short for us it just doesn’t make economical sense to own one.

dasgoat, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

Nah we’re just broke

BakedCatboy, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

I’m right there with them. I spent 7-8 years in a larger city and enjoyed not having a car the entire time. No renting a parking spot or fighting over who gets to block in who with the upstairs or downstairs neighbors. No snow shoveling or scrambling to park on one side for street sweeping.

I’m now temporarily in a place where buses are at an hour interval and only go to 1 place so I took one of the family cars. Despite the car being “free” I’m paying more than an unlimited transit pass on insurance alone, and I have a great rate at the expense of having to let my insurance track my accelerating / braking through GPS/accelerometer (at least for a few weeks before I can uninstall the app and enjoy the lower rate). I’ve had to pay for an inspections, tags, fixing a tint that was legal at home but illegal where I am now (over $100 even if I just had them remove it), and I’m still needing to spend on extras like oil to top up in between oil changes, new wipers, coolant, and it’s looking like it’s almost due for tire rotations, brake and transmission flush, and other regular maintenance which is just another expense.

The car was free and it’s so expensive still. I miss being able to hop on a bus and zone out too.

colourlesspony, to fuck_cars in Gen Z is choosing not to drive

Because it’s expensive and sucks if you live in a city. Also, most can’t afford a house out in the suburbs anyways.

theotherone, to asklemmy in Donald Trump May 'Turn Off the Internet'. How even? A thought experiment.
@theotherone@kbin.social avatar

EMP

forty2,
@forty2@lemmy.world avatar

Wouldn’t that obliterate a ton of other infrastructure and do much more turn turn off the internet…basically turn any electronic device into a brick?

theotherone,
@theotherone@kbin.social avatar

Oh, you wanted to turn it back on? That’s extra.

justlookingfordragon, to asklemmy in Donald Trump May 'Turn Off the Internet'. How even? A thought experiment.
@justlookingfordragon@lemmy.world avatar

We’re talking about a guy who said he could remotely de-classify documents by thinking real hard about them. Maybe he’s under the impression that the internet will magically shut down when he says “turn yourself off!” out loud three times.

forty2,
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graycube, to asklemmy in Donald Trump May 'Turn Off the Internet'. How even? A thought experiment.

The "Internet" isn't actually a thing. You can disrupt large portions of computer interconnectivity by targeting popular service providers and the larger traffic hubs. Because there is no central junction or single vendor or provider it isn't really something that can be completely shut off in one brush stroke. Note that television and voice calls and all money uses the same infrastructure. Selectively shutting off somethings and not others would be even harder.

forty2,
@forty2@lemmy.world avatar

Devil in the details, as with all things he says…

If we redefined what “turn off” means, and make it more like “no access to internet” the end result of turning off the internet is achieved.

So far, forcing telcos into action might be the most applicable? They can pick and choose services to disable I assume

LesserAbe,

Setting aside that making sense of things Trump suggests is pointless: one method would be a blanket order that telecom providers turn off access in a targeted area. I expect in America some portion of people would still figure out how to get connectivity, but cutting off 80% of internet access would still be very disruptive.

forty2,
@forty2@lemmy.world avatar

This is where I was leaning when thinking about it initially. It would almost have to be a non-technical solution. I’m guessing he’s more of an “internet for me, but not for thee” kind of turn-off-the-internet guy so infrastructure and service would need to operate on some level

slazer2au, to asklemmy in Donald Trump May 'Turn Off the Internet'. How even? A thought experiment.

From a technical POV you can’t. The US is too well connected with many subsea cables to Europe, South America, and Asia.

www.submarinecablemap.com

In addition because the providers and cables are owned and operated by private companies the government would have a very hard time convincing telcos to do that.

Hell even internally you can’t with every major city having 2 or 3 places where providers can connect with Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cloudflare, Akamai. Not to mention all the private peering locations.

From a political POV, make legislation that says registered telcos must turn off telecommunications equipment connected to non US locations or black hole non us traffic when entering the country when requested by a government.

conciselyverbose,

It would also completely fuck our critical infrastructure. There's enough that needs connectivity for it to cascade to much more.

theotherone,
@theotherone@kbin.social avatar

Their agenda is to roll back the clock and I don’t mean metaphorically.

voracitude, (edited )

From a technical POV, have the Armed Forces drop depth charges on those cables where they cross our borders. Sure there would be legal challenges, but the damage would already be done, probably for years based on how prosecuting him for January 6th has gone.

Ordering Amazon to turn off their servers (or more likely block all but government-approved connections) would result in about 70% of the internet going offline, even without cutting the cables. This can be accomplished with emergency powers.

Poison or shut down US-based root DNS servers; also accomplishable with emergency powers, but the easiest to route around.

Yes, this would all be a phenomenally stupid idea. New York City alone lost ten billion dollars per day while they were offline from Sandy. My job - hell, the entire company I work for - would evaporate instantly with no internet, and so would the livelihoods of most Americans. But this fucking guy doesn’t care about any of that. Don’t think the law will get in his way, don’t think fear for the country’s future will stop him. If the rest of the government allows him to be a candidate and he gets elected, despite the Fourteenth Amendment, the US is toast.

theywilleatthestars, to asklemmy in Donald Trump May 'Turn Off the Internet'. How even? A thought experiment.

I remember Mubarak managing to do so while he was in the process of being overthrown.

teft,
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Egypts internet infrastructure of 2011 does not equal US internet infrastructure of 2025. The US is too well connected to feasibly turn off the internet. With egypt in 2011 they only had to shut down five ISPs and that shut off the internet in their country.

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