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anon_8675309, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

I see a bunch of lawsuits in the future. Because that’s what big companies do.

ProgrammingSocks,

I was gonna say the same thing. I sense claims of stolen IP soon

onlinepersona,

They don’t compete, they sue or buy out.

Parastie, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!
@Parastie@lemmy.world avatar

The benchmarks for the M3 have the single core and multicore performances way past similar Intel and AMD chips. Qualcomm’s mobile chips are still no where near Apple’s mobile chips. I do not believe for a second that Qualcomm will catch up to the M2 on their first release.

Aux,

M3 is not faster than any AMD or Intel. And PC chips are using very old process nodes. Once Intel gets to 2nm, Apple chips will feel like dumbphone SOCs from the early 2000-s running J2ME applets.

kalleboo,

Once Intel gets to 2nm

So in like 10 years from now?

Aux,

Who knows? Intel works in mysterious ways.

cybersandwich,

Isn’t Intel still stuck on 12nm?

TheMadnessKing,

They have moved to 10nm nodes which have density of 7nm nodes of TSMC afaik. They call these nodes Intel 7.

Afaik, Intel is also planning to move Intel 5 and other nodes.

Aux,

10nm.

MonkderZweite,

Apple cooks only with water too.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Keep in mind this is with up to an 80 watt TDP vs an effectively 3 year old architecture in a select few tests. The M2 was basically just an overclocked M1, with the Pro/Max models getting 2 extra cores. This is qualcomms best case scenario.

pr06lefs,

The Qualcomm x elite benchmarks as faster than the M3 for multicore. Not too surprising as I think it’s 12 cores vs 10. For single core its something like 2700 vs 3200.

Laptops running x elite are supposed to be available mid 2024.

zik, (edited )

That’s absolutely not true. The M3 Max just about brings Apple performance up to similar levels as Intel and AMD. The Ryzen 9 7945HX3D for example is a laptop processor which trades blows with the M3 on benchmarks - single core the M3’s slightly faster and multi core the Ryzen’s slightly faster - and in performance per watt the Ryzen’s marginally better. So really it’s just catching up with older laptop processors from other manufacturers.

And if you venure outside the laptop space to compare ultimate speed it’s nowhere near the fastest, particularly in multi-threaded. Its multi-threaded performance is around 13% of the AMD EPYC 9754 Bergamo for example.

Horsey, (edited ) to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

I can’t wait for the hardware Android continuity… that’s the only thing I’m waiting on now to switch to Android besides the raw performance being equal.

smileyhead,

Hardware continuity, what do you mean?

velox_vulnus, (edited ) to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

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  • ftatateeta,

    You might wait for a long time if America bans RISC-V development.

    mindbleach,

    And computing might be hard if Godzilla eats all the power stations.

    mindbleach,

    You don’t trust… a company that licenses an ISA?

    When your current alternative is a duopoly spearheaded by Intel?

    velox_vulnus,

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  • mindbleach, (edited )

    That’s worse!

    edit: Actually it’s also incorrect, since Nvidia is making ARM chips, not x86.

    Chobbes,

    I think you’ll be waiting a pretty long time for high end RISC-V CPUs, unfortunately. I don’t particularly trust Qualcomm, but I’m really hoping to see some good arm laptops for Linux.

    stella,

    That’s fine. We got our powerful computers to work with until then.

    the_lone_wolf,
    @the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml avatar

    See milk v pioneer if you need high end risc-v PC

    taanegl,

    I kind of agree, in that ARM is even more locked down than x86, but if I could get an ARM with UEFI and all computational power is available to the Linux kernel, then I wouldn’t mind trying one out for a while.

    But yes, I can’t wait for RISC-V systems to become mainstream for consumers.

    Pantherina,

    Could you explain how its more locked up?

    taanegl,

    Generally speaking, and I’m not talking about your Raspberry Pi’s, but even there we find some limitations for getting a system up and booting - and it’s not for lack of transistors.

    But say if you take a consumer facing ARM device, almost always the bootloader is locked and apart of some read only ROM - that if you touch it without permission voids your warranty.

    Compare that with an x86 system, whereby the boot loader is installed on an independent partition and has to be “declared” to the firmware, which means you can have several systems on the same machine.

    Note how I’m talking about consumer devices and not servers for data centres or embedded systems.

    Pantherina,

    Interesting, so you cant just use any Bootloader on Arm Linux? Like systemd-boot or grub2?

    onlinepersona,

    Same. I’d love it if RISC-V came out with a competing chip.

    Petter1, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

    I hope for Microsoft to just give up and build a new "windows“ which is just an other Linux distro xD

    Ducking windows can’t even clone the Linux kernel right now

    jsh,

    That’d be based, but I don’t think there’s anything in that for them.

    Petter1,

    Well, I’m sure they find a way.

    Duxon,

    They’re a platform company that provides services. They could build proprietary services on top of a Linux distro. Basically the same as they’re doing now with Edge.

    Cysioland, (edited )
    @Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    They’ll probably sooner embrace-extend-extinguish Linux with WSL

    vanderbilt,
    @vanderbilt@beehaw.org avatar

    IIRC Microsoft’s woes in the ARM space is two-fold. First is the crushing legacy compatibility and inability to muster developers around anything newer than win32, and second was signing a deal to make Qualcomm the exclusive ARM processors for Windows for who knows how long.

    the_lone_wolf,
    @the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml avatar

    Deal is going to expire in 2024!

    Blahaj_Blast, to movies in Mean Girls | Official Trailer (2024 Movie)
    @Blahaj_Blast@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Renee Rapp honest seems like that’s the character she was born to play

    EasternLettuce, to movies in Mean Girls | Official Trailer (2024 Movie)

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  • TheRaven,
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    Including your comment

    victron, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    I see Linux users still thirsting over apple hardware

    onlinepersona,

    Whatever you want to convince yourself of, bud. Never buying hardware from Apple ever.

    vsh, (edited )
    @vsh@lemm.ee avatar

    Buying? Nope

    Wishing I had that M1 CPU? Hell yeah

    onlinepersona,

    Why tho? AMD’s 7840HS performs better at 35W and is x86_64.

    stardreamer, (edited )
    @stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Because anyone who works at the assembly level tends to think that the x86_64 ISA is garbage.

    To be fair, aarch64 is also garbage. But it’s less smelly garbage.

    That being said, I’m not expecting any of these CPUs to be hanging in the Sistine Chapel. So whatever works, I guess.

    vsh, (edited )
    @vsh@lemm.ee avatar

    Apple components work faster because they are welded together to the motherboard. You can’t cheat physics.

    CafecitoHippo,

    Even if we were thirsting over it, what’s wrong with it? Apple makes some impressive silicon that’s really efficient. The problem is that it’s tied to their products and closed off. You can marvel at what they’re doing on the production side while not liking their business practices.

    xohshoo, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

    don’t care about absolute performance, more interested in performance/watt

    GustavoM,
    @GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

    “The real winner is the one who loses the most” indeed.

    AnUnusualRelic,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m more interested in something that has an actual hardware and software ecosystem. I’m no longer interested in soldering my computer and it’s peripherals together.

    KingThrillgore, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    Qualcomm you say?

    I’ll believe it when it ships

    the_lone_wolf,
    @the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml avatar

    Qualcomm is my main fear also. They will ship it with lots of closed source firmware digitally signed with their private keys which users can’t replace so expect a shitty bootloader and don’t forget about always running hypervisior, trust zone and world most kept secret modem

    happyhippo, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

    I don’t wanna repeat myself, but: 7840u for the next few years, then I hope RISC V will be mature enough to kick some ass (and that framework releases a board for it).

    That’s all I dream of.

    semperverus,
    @semperverus@lemmy.world avatar

    Check out the milkV Pioneer.

    mojo, to linux in Imagine Linux on an Arm SoC that benchmark better than Apple's M2 Max!

    Would definitely upgrade to that instead of my current Lenovo. I want x86 to die already.

    semperverus,
    @semperverus@lemmy.world avatar

    If you want to kill x86, you need to do what Valve and the Wine foundation did with Proton/WINE (mostly proton at this point though), but for x86 to ARM and maybe other architectures like RISCV (especially because the milkV pioneer is a thing).

    There is too much legacy software that will never be converted that people still use to this day. Once you make it easy to transition, it will slowly but steadily start to happen.

    Box86/Box64 are promising, but need help from contributors like you. If you want it to happen, go make it happen, or continue to live in the world you have now.

    KseniyaK,

    Well, you do have qemu, which can run x86 programs on other architectures (not just running x86 virtual machines on top of hosts of other architectures).

    Chobbes,

    My experience running arm on x86 with qemu was dog slow. This was years ago, though, so hopefully it has gotten better.

    mojo,

    Well legacy software is fine, that stuff mostly runs on old machines/servers/etc. ARM will be more easily to move towards by focusing the consumer market, where legacy issue is less of an issue because their programs are frequently updated. Some old server using outdated software that people are afraid to touch, we don’t need to worry about converting that lol.

    Number1SummerJam, to jungle in Mickey Beam - 1993 - 1994 Old Skool Jungle / Hardcore Mix
    @Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world avatar

    Liked this on soundcloud about 6 years ago! #1 Jam!

    ohmyiv,
    @ohmyiv@lemmy.world avatar

    Hell yeah. I’ve been following the yt channel for a few years now. Always top tracks, old and new.

    Blastasaurus, to jungle in Mickey Beam - 1993 - 1994 Old Skool Jungle / Hardcore Mix

    My first rave was in 1999. It blows my mind that Jungle was coming out in 1993. These artists were lightyears ahead of their time.

    ohmyiv,
    @ohmyiv@lemmy.world avatar

    Making me feel old lol. I got my first taste of jungle in the mid 90s when I was 19 or 20 and have been hooked ever since. Breaking new grounds for sure.

    pete_the_cat, to movies in Mean Girls | Official Trailer (2024 Movie)

    I just saw this on IMDB and was like “great…how are the re-imagining it now?” but nope, it doesn’t even look like a re-imagining of it, they just taking the original story and using new actors for 99% of the cast. I think the only two original actors left are Tim and Tina.

    This is going to be terrible, but it’s going to get rave review no doubt, just like the stupid Charmed remake, which is somehow still on AFAIK.

    MimicJar,
    @MimicJar@lemmy.world avatar

    After watching this trailer I’m so confused.

    The reimagining is that it’s a musical. A film adaptation of a successful Broadway show.

    What I just saw is a trailer for a generic teen comedy.

    Did they fuck up and forget to put music in a musical?

    pete_the_cat,

    Either way, taking a movie and then making it a Broadway musical and then making that musical into a movie, just sounds like a bad game of “telephone”.

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