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werefreeatlast, in How's this plan progressing?

I wasn’t gonna pay this month’s rent but fuck that. I just had to apply at the cheap porn studio for fluffer and the rest is history. Cuz I don’t want the government to cut me in half. Sure it feels like being cut in half sometimes but it pays the bills.

NounsAndWords, in Personal space

Now do saunas

Agent641,

Coffin full of hot rocks

Haagel, in Slavery: still a thing

There’s more slavery now than at any time in human history, according to this UN task force.

It makes you wonder, of course, that if our capitalism depends on slave markets… is it really capitalism?

Someone please help me to understand…

rockSlayer,

Yes. Capitalism is private ownership over the means of production. Slavery serves capitalism very well, even if it didn’t invent slavery.

Haagel,

let’s call it neo-slavery 💫

SomeoneSomewhere,

One could argue that if the workers themselves are the means of production, slavery is extra capitalist.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Which is why the founders of anarcho-capitalism argued for “voluntary slavery.”

hungryphrog,

I think I just lost some braincells.

RagingRobot,

If a CEO finds out that he can get slaves to do the work for free instead of spending money on it they have an obligation to the shareholders to do what makes the company the most money.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The only reason corporations aren’t doing chattel slavery in the U.S. right now is that they’re legally barred from it.

Haagel,

I just heard an NPR story about US Steel Corp using chattel slavery less than a hundred years ago. They worked people to death and buried them in unmarked graves.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

That’s a simplification

Mercantilism had private ownership of production

Capitalism is pay based on hours worked (only way to get rich is to work more hours than someone else)

KISSmyOS, (edited )

(only way to get rich is to work more hours than someone else)

In our current system, this is not how you get rich, AT ALL.
Billionaires aren’t people who worked 3 jobs and lived with roommates until they made it. They’re not even in the same class as these people.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

Yeah, capitalism was drawn up to prevent that

Turns out that people with money/power will influence laws to their own benefit

DragonTypeWyvern,

Started strong, then jumped right off a cliff with this argument. Just wrong about everything in the last sentence, pretty impressive.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

You really should read Wealth of Nations

We don’t live in a capitalist society, it’s important to note because the “dream of capitalism” is impossible to achieve

DragonTypeWyvern,

I have. Your definition is just bad, bro.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

So you know capitalism paints that landowners are bad and the labourer as essentially

Claims the labourer should be the one that gets the money

Claims money should be given out based of effort

But you think giving money out based on effort is a bad definition for it

That’s right?

rockSlayer,

I don’t understand your point. The most important feature of capitalism is the private ownership of capital. Capitalism isn’t “hustle, fuck bitches get money” or whatever. Money and wage labor goes back to the founding of civilization. It isn’t a new invention.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

So did private ownership

That wasn’t what Capitalism was about

In the wealth of nations Smith talks great lengths about the labourer being king of the market not the landowners and that with advancement in technology costs should go down except land owners prevent that

The whole system is supposed to favour the labourer compared to Mercantilism where the rich got richer because they owned the production

It also praised the American colonies for open immigration saying they could double their population faster than anyone in Europe and that would double their economy

rockSlayer,

Smith can talk all he wants, that doesn’t make his analysis correct.

ILikeBoobies,

He wrote the book on capitalism

The system literally came from that book

rockSlayer, (edited )

And we know now that his analysis on the outcome of capitalism is incorrect. Capitalism exists for the private property holders to extract as much wealth and power as possible from their privileged position. That unrelenting pursuit of profit has led to even worse inequality, and is collapsing entire ecosystems. It’s a disaster of an economic system full of contradictions. Those contradictions are now causing capitalism to collapse in on itself.

ILikeBoobies,

So you realize that the problems with capitalism are what it set out to prevent

That doesn’t make the core of capitalism the opposite

That means it’s not true capitalism

The problem is greed that will exist in any system because people with power will degrade/morph any system to be self serving

rockSlayer,

capitalism prioritizes greed what are you talking about?

ILikeBoobies,

What system doesn’t?

rockSlayer,

the ones that don’t rely on private property?

ILikeBoobies,

So pick one

rockSlayer,

library economies.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

Who checks if people are contributing/who divides the resources up?

Can I not bribe them to get more?

rockSlayer,

money isn’t necessary in a library economy, because there’s nothing to purchase. You go to the library for all non-consumable items. The library is incentivized to produce highly repairable and durable goods to reduce waste and minimize demand on the supply line. Consumable goods are gotten at locations similar to a food bank, all members of the community are responsible for producing food for the community.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

You don’t need money to bribe

I understand the theory of it, you aren’t listing any devices to prevent abuse

What’s your military/police?

Haagel,

I think one of the main problems with Smith’s conception of capitalism is that he didn’t account for how huge and pervasive and intrusive advertising would become. He naively assumed that the best product would dominate the market when actually people will buy whatever is thrust in front of the their eyes a thousand times a day.

And of course corporate lobbying wasn’t such an issue in his time.

ILikeBoobies,

We have term limits for governments but not for corporations

Their ability to last indefinitely allows them more control than anyone thought possible

And no matter what system you choose; they will act in self interest that will allow them to expand/erode the system to benefit themselves

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

No, the problem with Smith’s capitalism is that he’s constantly misrepresented

He was descriptive, not prescriptive. He was not an advocate of capitalism, he was explaining it - and if you read the wealth of nations and your takeaway was “Lassie Faire capitalism is a good idea”, reread it

Haagel,

I appreciate your critique but I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m not going to spend any more time in my life trying to justify late stage capitalism. It will eventually be replaced and pass into history like every other economic system, if it doesn’t kill us first. 💣

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

My point is that Adam Smith wasn’t really an advocate of capitalism, he explained it and made a strong case for the necessity of regulation

mojo,

How are there high income people in slavery, that doesn’t make sense to me

Haagel, (edited )

The UN sponsored report uses a pretty liberal definition of slavery to include things like wage theft (which forces workers to stay at a job until they’re fully compensated), sex trafficking, and domestic servitude where the servant’s documents are confiscated so that they can’t flee.

However, there’s still a hell of a lot whips and chains slavery in Africa and South East Asia. Those slaves serve the excavation and manufacturing industries.

hemko,

The private economy is the main source of the rise, while state-enforced labour counts for one in seven cases of modern slavery, the report adds.

I wonder if mandatory military service counts for “state-enforced labor”

ILikeBoobies,

What we have isn’t capitalism, capitalism only works until you add people

KISSmyOS,

True capitalism has never been tried!

DragonTypeWyvern,

Ancaps actually believe this

Let’s see how it works for Argentina.

ComradePorkRoll,

“Anarcho-Capitalism” sounds like a 4chan attempt at political theory.

Demdaru,

Okay, this may come off as unemphatetic but I love the fact that slavery doesn’t give a shit about your sex or wealth. Like, the percentages are almost fully equal, save for actual low income that is almost double what the other percentages are. Other than that, all are equal in the eyes of slavers.

Shit’s wild. What’s also wild is that these numbers still exists…especially when thinking about Americas or Europe. :|

AnalogyAddict,

That’s what you got from those graphs?

stebo02, in If you ever feel useless
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

i know it isn’t but this image looks photoshopped

ArbitraryValue, in What a feeling

Almost ten years ago, I was walking and as a car drove by, a woman inside it yelled something at me. I couldn’t hear what she said but I assumed she was catcalling me. That memory warms me to this day.

intensely_human,

I love it

Daft_ish, (edited ) in How's this plan progressing?

Is this the same plan that made homelessness illegal?

ElBarto, in Lazy bastards
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

My theory is that cats domesticated us to serve them and once we were docile enough to be trusted they became lazy, but we got the last laugh, they didn’t predict our obsession with dressing them up in ridiculous but cute as fuck costumes just to make other humans go awww.

possiblylinux127, in It's like having someone watching over you

That’s why I need privacy in today’s age

nodsocket, in Ramen

I don’t know why anyone would choose ramen as a poverty meal. Beans cost about the same and are far more nutritious.

sturmblast,

Because it’s easier to make, easy to clean up, and NOODLES!

nodsocket,

How to make bean

  1. open can
  2. heat
  3. profit
OneWomanCreamTeam,

Where I live dried beans are usually about on par with ramen, but not canned beans.

DahGangalang,

Wait, you’re saying you can get the same “nutrition to cost” value out of wet beans? I assumed you meant dry beans (and this would need to soak and actually cook them).

This might just be location specific, but wet beans are much more expensive (in terms of calories per dollar) compared to ramen every where I’ve seen (lived in South West and Mid Atlantic of US).

Are you saying that’s not the case where you’re at?

lud,

Taste?

TheSaneWriter,
@TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

Depends on the beans. Some taste really good on their own, others are very bland.

I_Fart_Glitter,

Beans + Ramen packet = 🤯

sturmblast,

How to make Ramen

  1. Heat Water
  2. Add ramen
  3. Profit
shinratdr,
@shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

Good thing I’m a nutrient consuming robot who just needs fuel to power my circuits and not a human who has to taste things.

Frankly I don’t know why the grocery store has anything other than just beans. It would save so much time.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe they don’t like beans. I don’t generally like beans unless they’re in something else.

GardeningSadhu,

I generally don’t like beans unless they are something else

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not even in Mexican food?

GardeningSadhu,

i can live with it, but i’d prefer it just be more meat or rice

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Different people have different tastes, as they say. I do not like beans in general, but I am fine with refried beans and black beans in Mexican food and beans in chili. And I guess if chick peas count as a bean, since they’re also called garbanzo beans, I enjoy hummus and falafel. But like a side of lima beans or whatever? Bleah. And green beans are just disgusting to me.

Cethin,

One of my favorite meals is beans, sausage, and rice with some hot sauce mixed in. It’s such a nice comfort food, and it’s incredibly cheap and pretty nutritious.

Saltblue, (edited )

You can also use ground beef, you buy the cheapest meat and ask them to grind it, or like me you have the hand cranked one at home.

Nalivai,

You still need to cook it. It can’t beat pouring hot water into a container in terms of simplicity

Saltblue,

Off course ramen is going to always be easy to cook, but ramen stops being the best choice when you start getting scurvy, and your skin is shit, and you don’t have energy.

Nalivai,

That’s the problem with any monodiet, yes. Thankfully, even the most poor student and a depressed adult can afford an apple once in a while

cordlesslamp,

do you have any noob-friendly recipes for beans? More specifically, some western style (US or Europe)?

tweeks,

Tomato soup with kidney beans can make it way more filling and gives the taste more body. Other less-western combinations with tomato work as well; like rice / beans, some sweet pepper, onion / tomato mixed sauce (perhaps even add apple or banana).

Otherwise stuff like Burritos and Chili recipes are always great.

cordlesslamp,

Thanks, I want something that’s like 90% beans, not just something that have beans in it like burrito and chili. Like those “English breakfast” beans in red sauce.

RGB3x3, (edited )

Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.

But actually though. Spicy Red beans and rice is delicious, black bean burgers, anything with chick peas like hummus wraps or chick pea fritters, vegetable tacos and burritos with black beans… there are loads of things.

I very much like red beans and rice when it’s particularly spicy. Can add some sausage for heartiness too

Ataraxia,

Ground beef and flour. If I weren’t allergic to wheat and all carbs didn’t give me diarrhea then i could make a million meals out of those.

Sorgan71,

because beans dont taste good

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Because beans don’t offer as good nutrition compared to instant ramen

RIP_Cheems, in It's like having someone watching over you
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Is that a fucking bet?

gurmif, in Slavery: still a thing

Is it immoral? Don’t they “owe a debt to society”?

caseyweederman,

Uh yeah so uh
That green leafy thing
If you inhale it

FIFTY FUCKING YEARS BUCKO

and other totally arbitrary justifications for putting a drastically skewed selection of your citizens into enforced labor

tpihkal,

So the problem is that those people shouldn’t be in prison, not that prisoners should be expected to pay a debt to society.

caseyweederman,

You misunderstand.
I’m pointing out how, when prisoners can be monetized, laws will be invented to maximize profit.
List of U.S. politicians and how much they are being paid by for-profit prisons

tpihkal,

I’m not misunderstanding you, I disagree with you.

x4740N, (edited )
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it is immoral, they should be rehabilitated instead

But society also needs to fix its dystopia because some crimes where committed out of necessity for example stealing food when you’d otherwise die and their was no way of getting free food

Crimes of necessity don’t need to he rehabilitated because people are forced to commit them due to their current living position

Edit:

lemmy.ca/comment/5348520

This comment also applies as well

RQG, (edited )
@RQG@lemmy.world avatar

But society isn’t profiting from the labor. It is private businesses, right? There is such a thing in the US as communal or public service as sentence for a crime I am sure but from what I gathered prison labor is not that.

I’d be morally okay if a certain amount of hours of public service would be part of a sentence for crimes which left a debt to society. Such as tax fraud or destruction of public property etc.

TheSaneWriter,
@TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

Fully agreed. Stuff like, you have to work for the government park corp and clean up parks as your job for the next year is a form of sentencing I could agree with. I don’t agree with random company 400 getting to use you as a slave being your sentence.

yesman, (edited ) in Slavery: still a thing

They’re are a few problems saying that prison labor is a continuation of slavery in the US.

The largest demographic in prison is white men.

Prisons don’t make money. Corpos that run the prisons, or the phones, or use prisoners as cheap labor do profit, but that money mostly comes from the State, the prisoners themselves, and the prisoner’s families.

Prisoners have legal rights.

Nobody is born incarcerated.

I’m not trying to defend that clause in the 13^th^. But equivocating all forms of slavery and forced labor is a common white supremacist tactic to minimize the particular evils of racialized chattel slavery in the US.

All races, all people, all nations, have had slavery and been slaves at some point themselves

David Barton (A Christian nationalist and fake historian)

politico.com/…/evangelicals-american-politics-tim…

There is a pretty good conversation about this in F.D Signifier’s video: “Fuck the police”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEwOxp_Iyw(The conversation is about the 1:03:00 mark)

DadVolante,
@DadVolante@sh.itjust.works avatar

Plenty of American slaves also had rights, even as slaves.

The more you know.

Garbanzo,

The largest demographic in prison is white men.

Funny that you’d bring up white supremacist tactics right after throwing this one out there. Like, how can you bring up statistics to defend the justice system and just ignore 13% of the general population having a 38% share of the prison population?

BeautifulMind,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

Prisons don’t make money

That’s just untrue. Private for-profit prisons were a multi-billion-dollar industry for too long.

Also, they made enough money to bribe judges to sentence more people to longer terms so they could make more money.

Private prisons promised to be ‘more efficient’ and cost less per prisoner than public prisons, but typically their pattern of operations was to cut costs as much as possible and still charge the taxpayer more per prisoner than public prisons- and it got so out of hand that at one point it cost the taxpayer more per year to incarcerate a criminal than it would have to send him to Harvard for that year. Also under private prison administration, no effort was made at all to rehabilitate prisoners- their business was really based on recidivism, it was very much in their interest for prisoners to re-offend and end up back in prison.

Convict leasing on top of that is plain slavery, and the prospect of money to be made leasing convicts slaves for labor has corrupted America’s justice system, particularly in confederate states, ever since the 13th Amendment was penned.

Todd_cross, in A small flaw in the naming scheme

He’s Batman Beyond

coolcat1711, in It's like having someone watching over you

It’s kinda the antithesis of caring if they can’t even get a real person to do it…

v_raton, in *Cries in Debt*

My college call me for offer PHD or some crap course (Yes, i am from Brazil and graduated in a underground institution)

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