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mahony, in Google loses antitrust case vs Epic Games. Jury rules Google Play store constitutes an illegal monopoly

I get the hate on Google. I use a degoogled phone and got rid of google everywhere else. But I am not a fan of this. Its their store. Imagine a goverment comes to your own grocery store that you built and tells you whose products to put where and how much to charge for them. Instead of trying to build an alternative to compete with Play Store we will give more power to goverments. Thats not good.

Dran_Arcana, (edited )

If that were all this was, sure. In your analogy though, Google owns 95% of the grocery stores and has deals with 90% of the food vendors that if they allow you to stock their brands they lose access to sell in the Google grocery store. That practice is anticompetitive, because it functionally prevents you from opening your own store to compete.

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

If your grocery store "willfully acquired or maintained monopoly power by engaging in anticompetitive conduct".. then you'd be actively and purposefully affecting the ability for anyone to "try to build an alternative to compete with [it]".

They aren't asking Google to use a specific price, what they are asking is for them to stop offering special custom-made deals under the table for some of the partners with the intent of preventing competition. Nobody is stopping Google from offering the same fees to everyone indiscriminately... the issue is when they pick and choose with the purpose of minimizing/discouraging competition. Particularly when they are already the biggest one in their market by a wide margin, so they have a higher power/responsibility than a Mom'n'Pop store.

CrayonRosary,

You really need to read the article, and specifically the linked article within that details the court proceedings. Anticompetitive behavior is illegal, and Google did lots of it, and did so blatantly, and deleted evidence of doing so.

The 30% they charge isn’t the issue. The issue is the anticompetitive actions they took to keep themselves from ever having to charge less than 30%.

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

Problem is that it not really is “just a store”. By using the google store you get access to the google play APIs, which are upgraded separately from the device OS - which is sensible from a security perspective, but they also were created by google specifically for regaining control over what goes on on Android devices.

A lot of applications are needlessly tied to play APIs - either because that way is a bit easier, or just because google is good at marketing them, and the developer didn’t think twice about it. Some relatively basic APIs are part of google play - for example maps, which needlessly is tied to google maps. Unlike Android itself the play APIs are not opensource.

Yandex tried about a decade ago to re-implement the play APIs to keep such applications working without the play store, by utilizing other services providing the same functionality, and tried to get other companies to join them. I’ve visited the Yandex office in Saint Petersburg a few times to discuss that back then (just checked, most of that seems to have been 2014 - that year Yandex was sponsoring my Russian visa). The effort failed for various reasons, unfortunately - the big one being that doing this required reverse engineering API changes on every play update google was pushing to stay compatible. There’s the microG project around now, but it seems to be less ambitious than what Yandex was trying to do back then.

My point is, as long as at least the API for play services isn’t maintained in a way that allows full open source reimplementations - or better, google releases parts as open source where we can plug different backends in - “use a different store” is not really a possible solution for many.

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

This is further crippled by how the increasingly tight security measures in Android make harder and harder to add functionality that is considered "system-level" and is as deeply integrated as the Play Store.

You can't simply install F-droid and expect the same level of user friendliness and automatic app updates as in the official Play Store. Without esoteric, hackish and warranty-voiding rooting methods, you need to give manual user confirmation for every small update. You need to update 30 apps that accumulated because you forgot to manually update each of them? get prepared for going 30 times thought the same process of pressing buttons and giving confirmation for each of them.

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

Yeah, things are getting to the point where just having a mobile device running Linux and using Waydroid for some useful Android applications is less painful than trying to make Android work.

Spendrill, in How Tracking and Technology in Cars Is Being Weaponized by Abusive Partners
LWD, (edited ) in Telegram Android Notifications

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  • rdri, (edited )

    I’ve been using Telegram enough to understand that such allegations are useless. The first link is literally not about Telegram but about its 3rd party fork that original developers can’t do anything about. The second link is about piracy, and any app owner would handle any data they could in similar situations.

    Telegram is not just a messaging app but a public platform with channels and public chats. Any app with these properties will eventually have the same issues. If you don’t want to risk, you just use it as a personal messaging app and that’s it - in this way it’s not much different from other “secure” messaging apps.

    The way for apps like Signal to remain “truly secure” in “careful” users’ eyes is avoiding the introduction of the public communication part, which could lead to all the same problems some people don’t like Telegram for.

    That said, Telegram actually has a history of being a “bad actor” if you want to call it so. Namely:

    • At first it was possible to steal someone’s account by faking a SIM card (any government can do this). Later Telegram introduced cloud password that helped to prevent such cases.
    • At various points Telegram wrongfully banned and marked as “fake” various channels and bots used by opposition in Russia.

    But I can’t agree that either of that makes Telegram an insecure messaging platform. It’s either about bad management decisions in specific situations (e.g. Durov being worried about Telegram getting banned) or technical aspects of how user reports are handled (basically any channel can get marked “fake” if enough user reports are received).

    wincing_nucleus073, (edited )

    yeah funny how the oh-so-private and amazing signal allows bad actors to take over your account with sim access, and telegram does not.

    toastal,

    Criticism of Telegram isn’t endorsement for Signal. They are both garbage in different ways.

    FarLine99,
    @FarLine99@lemmy.world avatar

    I know and use Signal to communicate with family/friend. but everyone at work uses telegram, I can’t give them all an ultimatum to switch to Signal

    Gooey0210,

    If you’re ready to put on tinfoil, signal is not the way to go too

    Phone number requirement is a big no-no in privacy community, plus signal wants to centralize more and more, when they could actually make it possible to selfhost signal

    FarLine99,
    @FarLine99@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t agree with you. so far Signal is the most mature and feature-rich messenger of the rest. yes, it provides privacy, not anonymity. but all new people are used to the algorithm of adding people, unlike SimpleX, Matrix, etc.

    miss_brainfart,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    Phone numbers harm anonymity, not privacy.

    Kissaki,

    Your first link:

    42 million user IDs and phone numbers for a third-party version of Telegram were exposed online without a password. The accounts belong to users in Iran, where the official Telegram app is blocked.

    How is that a state exploit of Telegram? It’s not even about Telegram. It’s a third party app.

    kbal, in Paris Olympics Host a New Event: Algorithmic Video Surveillance
    @kbal@fedia.io avatar

    I for one will be ready to do my civic duty and walk around randomly making stabbing and punching gestures (aimed at friends who've agreed to it) while holding a banana or some other vegetable that might more closely resemble a knife, should such a system ever threaten this part of the world. After all, I have nothing to hide.

    yogthos, in One of the Most Controversial US Spy Programs Just Got Quietly Renewed
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    Hilarious how people in US see themselves as some vibrant democracy that should lead the world.

    KinNectar, in Paris Olympics Host a New Event: Algorithmic Video Surveillance
    @KinNectar@kbin.run avatar

    Wasn't there an Olympics in China not so long ago?

    VolunTerry, in Why Even Your Local Grocery Store Wants Your Digital Data

    Anyone got a line on a good cabin? Tell the realtor not to call or text me though. I’ll only be responding via telegram (not THAT Telegram, dummy) delivered by horse and rider.

    TurtleTourParty,

    It might be better to use a carrier pigeon so the rider doesn’t know where you live.

    VolunTerry,

    Oh, good thought!

    MonkderZweite, in Why Even Your Local Grocery Store Wants Your Digital Data

    Just disable wifi and bt if you get out of the house.

    Kekzkrieger,
    @Kekzkrieger@feddit.de avatar

    and pay in cash always everywhere.

    If they accept no cash no business for me.

    possiblylinux127,

    Don’t forget the face mutilation

    Roopappy,

    I’ve resisted making an account at Walgreens for years and years. The last time I went in there, the prices for things I wanted were literally double if I didn’t give them a rewards number. Fucking ridiculous.

    Kekzkrieger,
    @Kekzkrieger@feddit.de avatar

    yeah man then u know what this data is worth to them.

    Its a shit choice between paying with your money vs paying with your data.

    VolunTerry,

    Smart advice. Also use Monero online or off where you can.

    Apollo2323, in Paris Olympics Host a New Event: Algorithmic Video Surveillance

    France is really leading the way on taking away their people rights!

    possiblylinux127, in Paris Olympics Host a New Event: Algorithmic Video Surveillance

    I like how this article ends. Its well written and easy to understand

    BlanK0, in Please Identify Yourself!

    A very insightful talk imho

    Zerush, in One of the Most Controversial US Spy Programs Just Got Quietly Renewed
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Do you mean Android?

    picnicolas, in BVG out here recommending the best 2FA Apps!

    Any iOS alternatives? Couldn’t find either of these in the App Store.

    Lodra,
    @Lodra@programming.dev avatar

    Bitwarden has been working well for me on iOS. It’s a paid feature though. $10 a year I think

    max,

    +1, well worth the 10 bucks.

    Zekenator_von,
    @Zekenator_von@lemmy.ml avatar

    Bitwarden has a 2fa function?i didn’t know it. But I don’t fully trust online apps for storing passwords though. A server can always be exploited

    Lodra,
    @Lodra@programming.dev avatar

    Bitwarden uses end to end encryption. This severely reduces the risk their infra is attacked. The encryption keys exist on your devices only so it’s impossible to read the server side data.

    The only real question is how much you trust Bitwarden as a company. Are they completely lying about E2EE to customers and auditors? If not, then Bitwarden is a good choice.

    Lodra,
    @Lodra@programming.dev avatar

    Oh and ya, it’s has a one time passcode function. Works great! It will even autofill into OTP fields… sometimes 🙂

    Aux, in How to prevent link hijacking on sites like Facebook, Reddit and Twitter?

    Disable JavaScript.

    catbaba, in One of the Most Controversial US Spy Programs Just Got Quietly Renewed

    I didn’t expect them to shoot this down at all, especially with everyone focused on the wars

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