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Juanma, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."

Lifetime Ultra user here, I hope most people opt out. Such a shitty situation, hope reddit suffers the consequences.

detwaft,

They won’t in the short term.

In the long run they’ll hopefully go the way of myspace/digg.

It takes a long time for a juggernaut to die. They can circle the drain for years

Spiritsoar, in Threadiversal Travel - A guide for Lemmy, Kbin and general Reddit off-ramping

As someone who is just now looking for Reddit alternatives due to the impending death of RIF, this is a very helpful breakdown.

MisterMoo, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."
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Infuriating that this is going ahead. Apollo was Reddit. For me, Reddit no longer exists.

z3n0x,
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Amen.

CtrlAltDelicious, in banning and defederating communities

Eeh let me go against the grain here a bit: Personally I'd rather have my account on somewhere that doesn't police my access. IMO one of the major boons to the Internet that it being decentralized and not particularly easy to police by any one authority. I've lived a big part of my life in an authoritarian country, and censorship gradually builds up. I have no interest in granting this kind of power even governments rarely get to exercise, to some random people.

I firmly believe that the best kind of content moderation is to use the small "X" button right next to the browser tab. I would understand and completely support not wanting to see certain content, communities or users yourself, but unless illegal [1] I don't see any reason why you should be able to prevent others.

[1] even then, question of in what jurisdiction comes to kind

Anyway, I know that nowadays vouching for information freedom doesn't win much favours. Cool thing about ActivityPub is that barring future potential scaling issues, I can run my own instance and enjoy the Internet as it once was.

edit: I have to say that there's a level of irony in asking for bans and central controls on content on a platform that in its very nature decentralized and supposed to be empowering.

wahming,

I have to say that there's a level of irony in asking for bans and central controls on content on a platform that in its very nature decentralized and supposed to be empowering.

There isn't any irony. That's the whole point of the decentralization - it empowers everybody to be part of the communities they wish to be in, and not participate in those they disagree with. We have the power to leave any instance where we disagree with the admins and move to a new one.

877, in Christian is releasing the final update for Apollo, allowing users to opt out of the refunds

I was first gonna call him moneygrubby but man 250k. I would be sweating and crying. Imagine making an app only for it to anus you in the ass, all of the effort evaporated and swindled.

Dude is gonna have to work overtime like the dude that bricked people's switches.

Boabab, in Christian is releasing the final update for Apollo, allowing users to opt out of the refunds
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Damn, what a great guy. He doesn't just make it easy to request a refund that he needs to pay from his own pocket. He actually made it opt-out. I've always used RiF on Android, never used Apollo. But Christian earned a lot of my respect in the last few weeks. Fuck Reddit and fuck how they screwed the people that helped them build the platform into what it is today.

Countmacula, in Christian is releasing the final update for Apollo, allowing users to opt out of the refunds
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opted out if mine and got the wallpapers. Incredible loss to the iOS ecosystem.

Briguy24,

It's my mobile app and their main one sucks. I'm a casual but frequent user. I'll miss it but I'll find the next thing.

Euraru,

How do you get the wallpapers?

Euraru,

Nvm I found it and donated.

darknavi, in Christian is releasing the final update for Apollo, allowing users to opt out of the refunds
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Class act.

I donated a few bucks to get the wallpapers because Christian is a boss but them all being Snoo-based I just couldn’t find my self to use them.

mark_hamill,
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Same, my hope is that with people opting out and the wallpaper he shouldn’t have to pay much, if anything, out of pocket.

877,

He is still gonna have to pay an ovscene amount of money, that app is going to put him in debt.

Rhaedas,
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Yes, not everyone is going to get the news that it's turned from a loss of income into a debt due to the nature. And dare I say there may be some out there who would still consider it as "he knew what he was getting into", although I hope that's a very small percentage.

ztb,
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I think that given how forthcoming Christian's been with this entire situation, if he were in a position where he could not feasibly put up that 250k it would be communicated. It's no small amount of money, sure, but I think he'll be alright. I can't speak for anyone else, but if I was someone with an Apollo sub, I would refuse the refund without even thinking about it. Hopefully a large percentage of subscribed users agree with that sentiment, and in that case the cost should drop substantially.

oliver, in There's no karma? [OC]
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Karma exists, it’s just hidden yet in Lemmys interface, but available via API. Kbin tells it to it’s users.

Eggyhead, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."
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I just went through and unsubbed 90% of my subs. Now when I go on reddit to check something, it’s just too boring to stick around for long.

I wonder if Christian will implement an account nuking or overwrite feature or something in his last update.

CookieJarObserver, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."
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RIP. kinda sad he didn't turn it into a lemmy/kbin client.

FaceDeer,
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There's a client named Artemis under development that's heavily inspired by Apollo, don't know if any devs are crossing over though.

hariette,
@hariette@kbin.social avatar

Thanks for the shoutout! App is coming along!

a video and pics of current alpha build.

And see this toot, of me having fun with force touch to preview links :p

soda3x,

is artemis going to be on android?

RheingoldRiver,

Not hariette, but yes it will! I am currently testing it on android :)

Pankakke,

Yes! Artemis is being developed for both iOS and Android.

kratoz29,

There is also this awesome web app

wefwef.app

FIST_FILLET,
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holy shit this is perfect, i pray they add support for us kbin accounts to log in

kratoz29,

Talk with the dev, maybe he adds it :)

SLaSZT,
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Doesn't seem to work with kbin.social. Artemis is the only one I've heard of so far that is actually supporting kbin and it's not ready yet. ;n;

Jcb2016, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."

WTF! I payed for pro and ultra and i deleted my account already lol

Teal,
@Teal@kbin.social avatar

You’re all good! I’m also an Ultra + Pro user and there’s no refund needed. Apple treats that kind of transaction as a one time payment. It’s only those who subscribe for a set amount of time (month or year) that are offered refunds.

Bonehead,

That just means you've donated your refund to a good cause.

AZHWG, in banning and defederating communities

While I don't doubt people's intentions are well, I feel perfectly capable of deciding myself what should be defederated or not. Currently using kbin.social. Any resources for people interested in learning more about this and potentially wanting to host their own instance (which I assume you'd need to, to be able to control this?). Or maybe there are already instances out there that don't defederate and leave it up to the individual?

wahming,

Or maybe there are already instances out there that don't defederate and leave it up to the individual?

It only takes one to defederate. Any large instances that stay neutral will eventually be defederated with by other instances, as per the beehaw example recently. So your best option would indeed be to host your own small instance.

Rhaedas, in Christian Selig (@christianselig@mastodon.social): "Really Important Apollo Update...."
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Didn't realize a refund would be a reverse payment, although that makes sense after thinking about it. Not as big of a problem to face if a developer is given more than 30 days to shut things down. Can he seek financial damage for Huffman's rash and illogical decision? Probably not, but not a lawyer.

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  • Trebach,

    If Christian made business decisions based on promises made by Reddit which they reneged on, he has a case under promissory estoppel.

    He already has a case for libel based on statements made by spez.

    Pandantic,
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    And didn’t they tell him there would be no major API changes, specifically in terms of cost “in 2023”?

    AuthorInkwell, in There's no karma? [OC]
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    We don't worry about silly things like 'karma'. We have transcended such things to embrace the True Internet.

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